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Thread: FIRE SPRAY : Devs your ruining continuty (again).. Proof the Firespray is rare and extinct..
shakaan
Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:23 pm
#54
Cuality wrote:
shakaan wrote:
no just the helmet...but its harder to get itthan to level till knight these days cause of the target not online exploit. and yes we bounty hunters and specially master bounty hunters who have the hardest job ingame and do something good for the game AND continuity deserve different equipment and stuff to compete against the most fixed and supported prof.
Not really. All you need is a solid group of about 15 or so and you can roll through it easily enough. I would know, my guild did this. Again with the elitism though... almost bordering on kluxxer strength here. I was a master BH... i dropped it to go back to my favorite profession... commando. I am now a dabbler in BH (3-0-4-0) and you no doubt feel like i am sullying your profession. Your job is NOT the hardest in game... leveling jedi is by far harder than a BH of any strength. You are not guardians against continuity, the devs are.
well you killed alot of jedi too but not solo however the result is what counts respect for that. i killed 15-16 solo so something like you...but thats not the point. you have another opinion. alsoabout the "target not online"exploit and its curious that a BH ignores that in a post ...maybe youre already a jedi and thats why we havethis discussion. all of my bh mates do have the same opinion than me about the firespray continuity and jetpack. but maybe you got tired of all the exploits andsupport jedi get and we just get nerfes. i can understand that but i not go the easy way - i like the challenge even if i cant win. about devs lol we all know they are lazy and too incompetent to manage a game like star wars. we still play beta when the first add on goes live that and the fact that importantbugs dont get fixed. also the community get ignored when they try to converse with them.
its a very uneven fight you know most nerfed prof(BH)...well ok after CH against most enhanced prof(Jedi) ...its also the only prof who can use exploits or cheats without getting banned which speaks for itself.
Nah... BH was actually fixed with the skill reduction. Now you can augment your skills. In fact... the only nerfs you have had were... KD nerfs (which affected pistol and carbine). In fact... commando, pistoleer, smuggler, CH, carbineer are far more nerfed than your profession ever was.
Thats a bubble... the skill point reduction is just a joke. it helps a BH not a bit to kill jedis. its just not to let it look like they do nothing. to implement this needs maybe a few minutes. the delay for weapons is a nerf had no reason and only hits the bhs. all the other profs you listed dont suffer cause of this nerf. and dont forget most bhs dabble in pistoleer carbineer and smuggler so this nerfes also effected bhs.
if you think we are not something special then try to master bh get the mando helmet and jetpack and kill and griefe as many jedi (also knights) as i did for such a low reward and all the ganking.
i have mastered BH... i have a mando helmet (my guilds) and i have a jetpack... i have killed a total of 46 jedi... 16 on my own 30 with other people. 35 of those kills were all done for the 15k reward.
My equipment is my own and im working to make my whole guild jetpacks cause not all are master commandos/ squad leader/ ranger or bounty huntery. and i never thought a BH with your effords ever would speak like you.
it sounds for as i say youchanged the side.
think before youspeak fool... and i would have no problem if mando and jetpack would get completly deleted from game when there also would be no player jedi...but since there are masses of them and only a few people with that mando gear i think its more a joke isnt it?
so your arguement for the break of continuity is that since the jedi are breaking continuity... its ok to do it yourself?
i just wanted to point at the fact that it is a minor breaking of continue when only 1 or 2 people per server have this equipment. on the other side a few hundreds jedi walking around and kill the economy and GCW is a more depending matter. AND i said i would let it delete when the major break of continuity get fixed. its laughable to discuss about that with a successful BH like you obviously was.
shakan 
(Master Bounty Hunter/Master Pistoleer/Leader of the Mandalorian Death Squad/DWB Leader of Infinity)
Jedi Kill Count : 19 kills / 15 griefes 
***may the exploit be with you jedi ... not always***
Message Edited by shakaan on 10-23-200411:41 PM
If you still are BH and not went the way 2/3 of all players went i dont want to discuss this further. you have a very different opinion of BHs i know and i never saw you in BH forum too but maybe you say the truth so i end this discussion with a statement of my opinion and wish all but jedi lamers/exploiters the best.
shakan
(Master Bounty Hunter/Master Pistoleer/Leader of the Mandalorian Death Squad/DWB Leader of Infinity)
Jedi Kill Count : 19 kills / 15 griefes
Message Edited by shakaan on 10-24-2004 12:26 AM
LordReaver
Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:18 pm
#55
Puck_Starfire wrote:
I love when nerds call other people nerds... Oh btw, did ya know being a nerd/dork/geek is popular now? Those nerds are tomorrow's leaders.
If you think only nerds play this game then you are not only a nerd, but a dumbass.
Cuality
Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:23 pm
#56
shakaan wrote:
Cuality wrote:
shakaan wrote:
no just the helmet...but its harder to get itthan to level till knight these days cause of the target not online exploit. and yes we bounty hunters and specially master bounty hunters who have the hardest job ingame and do something good for the game AND continuity deserve different equipment and stuff to compete against the most fixed and supported prof.
Not really. All you need is a solid group of about 15 or so and you can roll through it easily enough. I would know, my guild did this. Again with the elitism though... almost bordering on kluxxer strength here. I was a master BH... i dropped it to go back to my favorite profession... commando. I am now a dabbler in BH (3-0-4-0) and you no doubt feel like i am sullying your profession. Your job is NOT the hardest in game... leveling jedi is by far harder than a BH of any strength. You are not guardians against continuity, the devs are.
well you killed alot of jedi too but not solo however the result is what counts respect for that. i killed 15-16 solo so something like you...but thats not the point. you have another opinion. alsoabout the "target not online"exploit and its curious that a BH ignores that in a post ...maybe youre already a jedi and thats why we havethis discussion. all of my bh mates do have the same opinion than me about the firespray continuity and jetpack. but maybe you got tired of all the exploits andsupport jedi get and we just get nerfes. i can understand that but i not go the easy way - i like the challenge even if i cant win. about devs lol we all know they are lazy and too incompetent to manage a game like star wars. we still play beta when the first add on goes live that and the fact that importantbugs dont get fixed. also the community get ignored when they try to converse with them.
I ignored the "target not online exploit" because i have been engaging in Knight hunts as of late. I am part of a group whos sole purpose is to hunt down knights and knights, as most BH know... don't bother with log off and on since they feel invincible.
its a very uneven fight you know most nerfed prof(BH)...well ok after CH against most enhanced prof(Jedi) ...its also the only prof who can use exploits or cheats without getting banned which speaks for itself.
Nah... BH was actually fixed with the skill reduction. Now you can augment your skills. In fact... the only nerfs you have had were... KD nerfs (which affected pistol and carbine). In fact... commando, pistoleer, smuggler, CH, carbineer are far more nerfed than your profession ever was.
Thats a bubble... the skill point reduction is just a joke. it helps a BH not a bit to kill jedis. its just not to let it look like they do nothing. to implement this needs maybe a few minutes. the delay for weapons is a nerf had no reason and only hits the bhs. all the other profs you listed dont suffer cause of this nerf. and dont forget most bhs dabble in pistoleer carbineer and smuggler so this nerfes also effected bhs.
The skill reduction allows BH's to expand their template and the true result is that they are now the 2nd most combat oriented profession in the game. What they did is they got rid of the pointless prereqs that had no bearing on BH, left a decent prereq in scout (terrain neg). The weapon delay was to stop both jedi, and to stop DOT stacking. This change actually benefited PvP more than breaking it, imagine the pikemen with 8 DOT weapons stacking them as fast as he can hit... Incidentally, the commando profession suffered more from this particular "nerf" more than anyone else. We have only one working weapon in our trees and to use another weapon that we are better at (most commandos are TK) we are effected by the delay... not to mention that the DOT trick was invented by the commandos.
if you think we are not something special then try to master bh get the mando helmet and jetpack and kill and griefe as many jedi (also knights) as i did for such a low reward and all the ganking.
i have mastered BH... i have a mando helmet (my guilds) and i have a jetpack... i have killed a total of 46 jedi... 16 on my own 30 with other people. 35 of those kills were all done for the 15k reward.
My equipment is my own and im working to make my whole guild jetpacks cause not all are master commandos/ squad leader/ ranger or bounty huntery. and i never thought a BH with your effords ever would speak like you.
it sounds for as i say youchanged the side.
The jetpack is my own, in fact my guild has a total of like 12 right now. The mando armor we decided was a guild effort and we would display it in the guild hall unless we decide to start making more.
think before youspeak fool... and i would have no problem if mando and jetpack would get completly deleted from game when there also would be no player jedi...but since there are masses of them and only a few people with that mando gear i think its more a joke isnt it?
so your arguement for the break of continuity is that since the jedi are breaking continuity... its ok to do it yourself?
i just wanted to point at the fact that it is a minor breaking of continue when only 1 or 2 people per server have this equipment. on the other side a few hundreds jedi walking around and kill the economy and GCW is a more depending matter. AND i said i would let it delete when the major break of continuity get fixed. its laughable to discuss about that with a successful BH like you obviously was.
Jedi are basically afraid to step out of their front door or are resorting to exploiting to hunt. They are afraid of the Bh's and rightfully so, when the log on and off exploit is fixed... they'll just find another way to keep you away. I also find it hard to believe that if tomorrow SOE comes out and says "no more mando armor or jetpacks, you can keep what you have but no one else can get it" that you would delete your items. More likely than not you would either keep them or sell them for a ton of credits.
shakan
(Master Bounty Hunter/Master Pistoleer/Leader of the Mandalorian Death Squad/DWB Leader of Infinity)
Jedi Kill Count : 19 kills / 15 griefes
***may the exploit be with you jedi ... not always***
Message Edited by shakaan on 10-23-200411:41 PM
If you still are BH and not went the way 2/3 of all players went i dont want to discuss this further. you have a very different opinion of BHs i know and i never saw you in BH forum too but maybe you say the truth so i end this discussion with a statement of my opinion and wish all but jedi lamers/exploiters the best.
I am currently a BH dabbler... just i dabble in commando rather than TK or fencer. (Master commando 3/0/4/0 Bh, 0/0/4/0 smuggler) If you want to see some posts i make in the BH forums, check the ones where i am arguing against restricting jedi hunts to MBH. As i said before i was master BH for a while, i dropped it and went full commando.
shakan
(Master Bounty Hunter/Master Pistoleer/Leader of the Mandalorian Death Squad/DWB Leader of Infinity)
Jedi Kill Count : 19 kills / 15 griefes
Message Edited by shakaan on 10-24-2004 12:26 AM
Revy
Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:30 pm
#57
Well, think of it this way.....
Everything SOE does to the game, has to get passed by LucasArts, effectively that means Mr. Lucas..
So if its in the game, then its been deemed ok by Arts and Mr. Big..
So if they and he says its ok, then its OK.... 
Furon
Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:49 pm
#58
DarthMinos wrote:
Well, I haven't even seen screen shots of any Mandalorian armor that made it competitive with the best composite, so I don't think it'll be that common.
Didn't they just make the Firespray a Neutral only ship? If that is the case, that will also limit its use.
Personally, I don't see this as a problem. The Devs found a good way to bring the ship back into the game without making it too common. If we are going to be slaves to continuity in JTL, then we need to pare down the ship list to about five available ships for players. I don't think anyone wants that. If you are going to insist that the Firespray be removed as a player ship for continuity sake, then you have to remove the A-Wing, B-Wing, TIE Interceptor, TIE Advanced, TIE Opressor, TIE Agressor, and all the Hutt craft because they did not exist in this time period. You can't disallow one thing for continuity sake, and then allow all the others. I want to see those other ships in the game, andI have no problem with the Firespray.
I'm about as big a Star Wars fan as it comes, and I don't have a problem with this.
No, look at all three pilot profession. All of the master boxes have KSE Firespray Certification.
Puck_Starfire
Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:56 am
#59
I love when nerds call other people nerds... Oh btw, did ya know being a nerd/dork/geek is popular now? Those nerds are tomorrow's leaders.
Ffolks
Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:55 am
#61
Had crafters been given the ability to create a Firespray chassis from the get-go, I maight agree with you. However given that you're required to collect a bunch of reverse engineered data disks in order to craft one I don't see where continuity is broken.
I can go to the local bookstore and purchase plans to build a viking longship in my back yard and they are much more antiquated IRL than the Firespray is in SW canon.
I can go to the local bookstore and purchase plans to build a viking longship in my back yard and they are much more antiquated IRL than the Firespray is in SW canon.
shakaan
Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:21 pm
#62
i partially agree with some of the above posters but the fact that the KSE Firespray would need a MBH certification would make it :
1. really rare... ( lootkits are even made of around 10-12 different looted items but everyone can get it fast- so its not rare )
2. it would keep a bit of continuity cause thelast of this ships was Boba's....even if this game is not based to be near the timeline.
3. it would prevent that everyone looks similar in space. i like to see people with very different ship styles flying around and not a bunch of players with a ship that was never mass crafted like Tie or X Fighters/Wings. just remember composite armor. everyone who is a combat char is wearing the same armor. thats just another composite armor for space.
Another solution to make it maybe a bit rare would be if it would not have a all Master Pilot Cert but only a Neutral Pilot Cert so you cant use it when you are a reb or imp pilot but i know we neutral players are rare theses times 
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.greets shakan
MasterSad
Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:08 am
#63
Crazyguy111 wrote:
limited and rarely seen don't mean only one. However - You shouldn't worry too much you need 8 different loot parts and a buttload of credits and resources to craft one.
Pretty much what he said. It's amasign how people without getting in details start rant threads.
Droci
Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:10 pm
#64
guy on shadowfire has gotten teh schematic, has 6 uses
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=shadowfire_trade&message.id=104434#M104434
Message Edited by Droci on 11-04-2004 09:12 PM
DarkonSlayer
Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:13 am
#65
shakaan wrote:
/sign
make the firespray a MBH certification ship or in a few months everyone will have one and if its just for the collector people.
best would be to not make this legendary ship a playership at all but im afraid its just implemented.
1. the devs made it possiblefor everyone easilyto become jedi....
I agree here, this was to much, the timeline doesn't support this many jedi.
2. then everyone can use the jetpack....
Why not, in the RPG anyone can use a jetpack so why can't anyone in the MMORPG?
3. last but not least they destroy the myth around the fetts by makeing this ship first a playership and also for everyone flyable....
Even in the RPG, the Firespray-31 is a police ship that anyone can fly, which in beta I had the joy of destroying many corsec flown Firesprays. But where besides in the movies do you get off saying this ship should be so limited?
...thats too much for a star wars fan like me
shame on you lucasarts for that!!!!
greets shakan