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Thread: Missions are too long and difficult. Most get frustrated and give up.
I'm a 4333 Rebel Aligned Freelancer. While I agree that it should be challenging, there has to be a limit. It's NOT just challenging at the moment. It's bloody impossible at times. You should NEVER be REQUIRED to group in space to be able to finish a mission. It's supposed to be YOUR skills, not how good a negotiator you are in getting high level help. If I'm a 1111, and I get a Master Pilot to help me, there is very few missions I can't do. How is that a test of MY abilities?
It isn't. It's a test of my friends. There are situations on some of these missions ( not talking about the boreing missions, that should be a part of space duty), but the spawn rate of some of these mission's enemies id beyond insane. It SHOULD be hard, but not impossible solo. Otherwise, the player didn't EARN that Master slot, their team did. untill a player HAS the Master slot, grouping should be an option, but not a requirement. Untill you have that slot, you are in training. It is not the practice of the US air Force to kill their Pilots in training. It shouldn't be SWG's practice either.
BTW, I now have the good equipment that is mentioned by another potser. I can take out just about ANY ship in the Galaxy alone, but not 30 of them. All at once.
Undeterred, I took my 2 toons and got novice pilot on them. The first was a crafter at the time. A successful 12pt WS with credits to burn. I bought all the best gear I could afford and signed up for the RSF. The second toon was my DJK. He went and joined Black Epsilon. I now realise that these are the toughest of the Imp and Freelance squadrons. Within a few weeks I was stuck at 4333 RSF ( I desperately needed mass) and 3322 BE. This situation remained for many many months. Every time I flew, I died.
I eventually got help on the RSF mission and levelled to 4444. I was again gated on the exit mission and had to pay a merc to come fly with me. He helped me through the mission and I went into kessel, killed my 30 ships and picked up the vette mission. After 2 days of logging in, getting a nasty dose of explosionitus and logging for 90 mins in time for the next spawn, I eventually called for assistance and a friend did the hard work and blew the vette for me... I held back and just shot the bridge. This happened just before the CU. It took me a long time to get ace
I then set to work on my BE pilot. I got killed a lot, and decided that there was no way on earth I was going to beat these missions solo. I called a friend for help who was 2322 BE. We both died horribly, so I left it a while and rethought my tactics. Eventually I managed to get to 3433 and I was feeling rather pleased. Unfortunately, I once again hit a wall. I eventually switched tactics and picked up the TIE Bomber. I had a hard time getting to grips with this ship, but was eventually able to kill tier4 A-Wings in it... quite a mean feat as anyone who has had to fly one can tell you
I was starting to improve as a pilot. Through sheer perseverence I managed to get myself to teh Corvette mission and (still in my bomber) I managed to solo it (though I did use a bomber strike).
A Few weeks later, I decided to do something drastic and drop my hard earned pilot skills on my first toon. I felt he had not quite earned his ace title, and so I decided to take him up another Privateer squadron. Smugglers alliance. I soloed it all, and at the time the corvette came around I went for it solo in the big impossibletospellyyyk. I used a kop-out tactic for it... Kill escort, kill gun 5, hide under vette and use missiles to blow shields and engine. When the gunboats left I fired missiles at the reactor and the bridge, all from the safety of underneath the vette.
Still I was not happy. Sure I had managed to solo the squad, but I had not yet earned an ace title.
Next up, Inquisition. Great fun, soloed all missions and managed to solo the vette using bomber strike. I then headed into DS and practiced taking the vette without using any missiles or bomber strike, though there were other imp ships damaging them so was not as tough as I liked.
So... I did storm squadron. I soloed all missions and managed to solo the vette, again thanks to bomber strike. This time I used no missiles so was an improvement, and I managed to do it without the usual explode/repair/back to kessel routine. I was definately getting better. After the escort duty hell I had just been through, I had grown sick and tired of ties so it was time for a privateer faction again... Corsec. Very easy missions, managed to do everything solo. No bomber strike to help me out, but I did die once on the vette.
I then did BE on this toon, figuring I may as well get the badge for that one
. This was still as difficult as I remembered and I still needed some help on one of the missions. I did solo the vette though, and my bomberstrike failed, so I had to do it without any assistance from that. I did it in the tier1 Heavy Mass tie Finally, as I had completed all the missions I wanted to do, I went and got back privateer. I chose corsec again (easiest missions). Soloed it all, and managed to blow the vette with no problems.
All 6 badges pushed me to over 120 badges without relying on anything rebel related to taint my bio
Now I spend most of my time helping people using one or the other of my toons. MY corsec pilot helps rebel friends with the Star Ravager, and my Imp flies on vette missions a lot. If I see a vette in Kessel, I kill it for practice. On practice runs I will not use bomber strike (I use BS3 when helping people get ace... don't want to have them lose out because I wanted to show off
)My ships never have bombs equipped, nor do they use armour. I am confident in my abilities now and can solo pretty much any space content. I am itching to try the Rebel Space station, but the damn thing is invincible at the moment. Unless I am heading into DeepSpace I use crafted components (including crafted engine), giving myself a deliberate handicap, forcing myself to become a better pilot.
If JTL was any easier than it is, I would never have improved. I would have mastered in a few weeks and stopped flying as it would have been boring. Thanks to the difficulty set by the devs, I have been able to improve my flying abilities to a point where I am very happy with them. My hard work has paid off in a way that I feel that I have achieved something greater than when I unlocked Jedi (pre-9) and when I became the first DJK in one of the oldest guilds on my server. Getting the Ace title was pretty easy when I used other people to do the work. Earning the title is something different entirely
Now, I spend at least 50% of my time in space. Back in January I dropped crafter and went BH. Once I got my ace title I used my token respec and switched to Shipwright and so now JTL takes up most of my in ame time. I occasionally use the Jedi for some quest or other...
Perhaps I didn't make my meaning clear enough. Let me try again. BUG DON"T EFFENT EVERY PLAYER.
Missions are bugged for some, not all. I KNOW what the mission is. I don't try to eliminate everything that comes my way. I'm talking about the TARGETS that I'm supposed to kill spawning, then respawning on top of the last spawn, then doing it again.If I'm supposed to kill , just for example, Black Sun, and there are three that spawn at the waypoin, I kill one, and then 25 MORE of the same spawn again- thats a bug. I can take out 3 to 5 teir 5's with little proble, alone. But when there are 25 of them, and everytime I kill 1 or 2, they spawn again, what would you call that? Or you do an escort, they guy finally jumps out, and then you get the message that you fail the mission because you didn't stay near the escort target, what about that?Or you're teir 4333, and told to kill a teir 3 YT-1300, then he kills you in two shots, what about that?
(Are we beginning to see a pattern?)
And as for my ship? It's an ARC-170, with GREAT equipment.
And I have had friends there, and they say (them being Aces) "Man, you're mission is BUGGED !!"
So you see, I'm not talking about making the missions easier, or even shorter as much, just NOT BUGGED.
Transferred ALL my credits to another alt, starting with ZERO.
Financed my way through the tiers buying EVERY ship along the way, buying missles/counters as I needed them.
Got my Ace title, went and bought my Ace ships and still ended up with over 2mil in the bank and a hefty credit chip.
You're insulted by my observation that a failure to accomplish what others have done, in an environment of equal opportunity, reflects on you alone?
My verbosity was meant to explain things to you in the least offensive terms possible. But there's no reaching you - the reason you are offended is the same reason you can't cut it as a pilot - you won't listen, you can't accept or learn from criticism, and you refuse to accept that you're the only one who can change your situation.
OK then, have it your way. Enough of the verbosity.
If you can't do what so many others have, you suck. Is that more to your liking?
Darth-Malus wrote:If you can't do what so many others have, you suck.
QFE.
This needs to go in the FAQ or something. Getting a little tired of all the noobs complaining about how it all needs to change, it's too difficult/impossible...
/sigh
Well, as always it`s a mix of things, everything said here is pretty much significant.
One of the most undervaluated thing, however, is the control input you`re using.
A while ago (I`m back in SWG since a few days, being away since 7 months...) I had my troubles figuring out why a poor pilot I was trying to help had so many difficulties in hitting enemies.
It came out that he was using the keyboard so to manage the ship. Others were using digital pads.
I really think that (knowing how long it takes to kill a npc ship) some of the issues above said could be resolved by a good joystick, eventually with a lot of buttons and a throttle.
A cheap alternative could be the mouse, but having a lot of ready to be used buttons it`s really usefull in JTL (anyone familiar with the Hands On Throttle And Stick concept airforces around the world are "using" ?), simply because you don`t have all the time to react that you can sport in the ground game...
Message Edited by Scoutwannabepilot on 07-20-2005 10:27 AM
TotalImperial wrote:
I wonder how many people are lying through their teeth? Especially those who say they soloed the entire thing, I call BS. I am 2/2/2/2 and doing the imperial mission to get tier3. I have tried 11 times and failed. Now you
are limited on equipment since you are only tier2, and have no great ships and yet you soloed imp missions, you are full of it, unless you got lucky. The mission I am doing now starts with escort, easy. Then in the next section you take back the ship and escort again, near impossible when you have 5 A-wings and 2 B-Wings all attacking you at once. I got through that part once, but 3 sections after I got attacked by 8 A-Wings at once on my way to dock with shuttle only to be wiped quick. This has nothing to do with skill, but capabilities of the ship which is limited at only tier2, so unless you can cheat somehow, or have help, I can't see how you soloed that and instead are just lying (on Imperial as i don't know about Rebel and neutral) As far as I can see, grouping is a must for imperial, which is next to impossible because of lack of people who do space.
I know my ships, I know my gear, I know my specials, and I know my droid commands, and I soloed that mission. I'm not lying, and if it were possible to film an entire Storm Squad mission, I'd do it again to prove it to you.
edit- I'm not trying to say it was easy, but it is possible. I don't particularly appreciate you judging myself and others as liars from your position of inexperience either.
Message Edited by psikobunny on 07-20-2005 01:41 PM
Ugh, why does this thread keep getting bumped, let it die! (she said as she bumped it...)
TotalImperial wrote:
I wonder how many people are lying through their teeth? Especially those who say they soloed the entire thing, I call BS. I am 2/2/2/2 and doing the imperial mission to get tier3. I have tried 11 times and failed. Now you
are limited on equipment since you are only tier2, and have no great ships and yet you soloed imp missions, you are full of it, unless you got lucky.
I have soloed every single mission and all nine squadrons (including the Imperial ones, smarty) in the game, with the exception of Lord Cyssk, and that's coming up. I don't normally use overloaded level 1 ships, I like the challenge. Sometimes I even roll up a new pilot on a different server, just for the challenge (five pilots now!). You can call it a lie all you want, but you're wrong. I spend a lot of time reading these forums, learning tricks, studying my equipment, managing my droid programs - and honestly, most missions are a snooze.
The mission you're describing is one of the hardest, sounds like the first T3 Storm Squadron. But it's very soloable, if you're experienced, a good shot, and manage your ship correctly. Don't believe me? I just started SS again on Bloodfin, should be up to this mission tonight. If you see me on come watch.
Naw, you'd rather not. That's work, plus you'd rather whine about how hard the game is so they'll dumb it down even more.
Seriously, did you just skip most of this thread? There are two ways through the missions, I'll say them one more time:
- Be good enough to do it solo
- Bring a friend and just get it over with
But don't call me a liar just because you're a poor pilot.