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Thread: JEDI STARFIGHTER The reason why it's complete BS in how anyone obtains it
NoisyJawa
Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:08 am
#14
JediGohan wrote:
no it's not
I went Reb just to get the ARC
besides, Rebels have the A-Wing, this is the equivalent for Imps.
I hear you on the A-wings... I can't stand having to fight players in those... they try to shoot me then they run away so fast
Zeon_Zaku
Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:39 am
#15
I think it's fine that the quest is only for Imperials. You get it from Darth Vader, so that's all fine and dandy. But I don't think you should have to complete the quest to pilot it. It should be tradeable and useable by anyone, Rebel and Imperial alike, even if they haven't completed the quest.
Just because you recieve the ship from Vader, it shouldn't have anything to do with giving it to someone else to pilot.
JediGohan
Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:17 am
#16
snltoonces wrote:
XStarbracer wrote:
If enough jedi Whine, i expect the devs will make even rebels get it.
What to Jedi have to do with this?It's only called the "Jedi Starfighter" because the Jedi Order decided that "Hey, that's a cool ship, we'll take a hundred or so."
Anyway, and I can't get the ARC-170, a ship I think is very cool either because I'm an Imperial. Somehow I'll live.
The author of this post is a Jedi
Rojiin
Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:43 am
#17
I've been thinking on this and even though the JSF is a little better than the a-wing the dirty imps 
did need a comparable fighter. And we rebs got a very nice fighter that offsets the agressor in the Arc 170. Just my opinion though.
did need a comparable fighter. And we rebs got a very nice fighter that offsets the agressor in the Arc 170. Just my opinion though.
Oikaleek
Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:50 am
#18
The problem with the Jedi Starfighter is not how it is obtained. The problem with the jedi starfighter is that it is WAY better than all other fighters in the game including the basic TIE fighter...you know, the ship that REPLACED it in the Imperial Navy. Just as the ARC-170 has better stats than the X-wing...the ship that replaced it. Got no griefs about the Belbullab though since I dont know of a ship that "replaced" it.
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TomedNor
Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:58 am
#19
This is a either evil, or a stupid mistake on the dev's part.
If the ship is supposed to be for imperials only, then why do rebel and freelance pilots have a certification to fly it?
If the ship is supposed to be for imperials only, then why do rebel and freelance pilots have a certification to fly it?
Ducimus
Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:29 am
#20
JediGohan wrote:
no it's not
I went Reb just to get the ARC
besides, Rebels have the A-Wing, this is the equivalent for Imps.
Tier 4) A-Wing: 80k Resources ~65k mass [SP: 1 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 250 Yaw 250 Roll 125]
(Tier 4) Eta-2 Actis Interceptor (Jedi Starfighter):~90k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.95 Acc 50 Dec 50 Pitch 600 Yaw 600 Roll 300]
Zekk-
Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:57 am
#21
the enw fighters are not iconic fighters of either side. They both have certs, just the quest is an issue. Imps shold get the opportunity to obtain the ARC also, theargument that vader gives it to imperialsthats why it should be is a joke. Just add a new quest for rebs.
Oikaleek
Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:09 pm
#22
You are incorrect. The Jedi Starfighter IS the prototype for the TIE fighter. Ask Mr.Lucas. He will tell you. It was designed that way to show how the technology advanced to TIE's. Notice that they are very similar ships? And , also, the Republic USED the Jedi Starfighter, the Jedi Served the Republic, therefore, it was a republic ship. Just like the X-Wings predecessor...the ARC 170...which the clones used...I assume that is the one you are referring to.
And good luck fighting a JSF with your Krayt. It will fly circles around you then destroy you in two shots just like it can every other ship out there with the exception of maybe an A wing or Belbullab22. Packing a punch means nothing when you can't land a punch. I have 4 weapons on my B wing, all of em capable of taking any player ship out in 1 shot. Good luck landing a shot on a JSF with their manueverability.
I propose raising ALL of the old ships P/y/r stats to be inline or BETTER than the new quest ships. If nothing else, the SWs of the galaxies would be much happier because they could still build the best ships. And the quest rewards would still be great eye candy as well as being solid ships.
Bottom line is this, the JSF shouldn't be any better than a standard TIE fighter but is instead vastly superior to one.
Message Edited by Oikaleek on 06-20-2005 01:17 PM
Ducimus
Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:26 pm
#23
KJFett3 wrote:
(Tier 1) Heavy TIE Fighter: 50k Resources ~95k mass [SP: 1 Gun] 1 missile [Spdx 0.98 Acc 50 Dec 50 Pitch 500 Yaw 500 Roll 250]
Instead of 2 15K mass guns in the JSF, you can put in one single 35K mass gun. The TIE fighter is still a good ship...you just have to get a Hvy, instead of one of those National Guard junk heaps.
Point was?
If i had a ship with 90K mass and 2 mounts vs a ship with 95K mass and 1 mount.
Well, i wouldnt be putting twin L7's (your 15K estimate) into it. hell, ive had T/A's (65K mass) equped with an L8 paired with L7 gun. Give me a 90K mass chassis, and ill have twin L8's in it for sure.
Best you can do for the Heavy tie is a L10. Lowest you can RE those down is about 43K mass which is quite doable. Still, i dont have to do the math to know that twin L8's does alot more damage then a single L10.
RasalTheWise
Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:14 pm
#24
Just wanted to clear up some misconceptions of the ETA-2 I saw floating around this thread:
1) The ETA-2 is tradeable, but CANNOT be piloted by someone who has not COMPLETED Vader's quest.
2) The ETA-2 is on all faction Tier4 lines to allow someone to keep flying it even if they are no longer imperial.
3) The ETA-2 is comparable in performance to the Bel-22, but has a smaller footprint, and is therefore harder to hit.
4) Developers have already stated that they have no intention of changing how one obtains any of these new ships.
1) The ETA-2 is tradeable, but CANNOT be piloted by someone who has not COMPLETED Vader's quest.
2) The ETA-2 is on all faction Tier4 lines to allow someone to keep flying it even if they are no longer imperial.
3) The ETA-2 is comparable in performance to the Bel-22, but has a smaller footprint, and is therefore harder to hit.
4) Developers have already stated that they have no intention of changing how one obtains any of these new ships.
Daeges
Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:56 pm
#25
It follows that if the TIE was the final evolution of a JSF prototype that the prototype would likely be vastly superior to the production models. The empire uses a swarm mentality when it comes to tactics; that it is moot that their opponents equipment and personnel are superior in quality because the empire can bring such quantity. I would conclude that the production TIE was engineered to be easily mass-produced and maintained, and sacrifices in equipment quality were made. It's not much different than when you see the concept cars at the auto shows which could blow the doors off of any vehicle on the road, then see the production models that follow it being much more sedate.
As for the lack of availability of the JSF to other factions,I have no problems with there being differences in factional equipment as long as equalizing factors are made.
DeepFatFryer
Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:29 pm
#26
Rebelcapt wrote:The JSF is Far from the best ship in game, the only thing it has going for it is its size.
And it's ridiculously large mass for it's amazing manuverability stats, and two gunports?