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darmokVtS wrote:
If you get outmaneuvered by a TIE Oppressor Pilot in PvP while flying an A-Wing there's only one thing to blame: the obvious huge discrepancy between your and the Oppressor Pilot's skill.

However I suspect you get your 'data' from comparing player piloted A-Wings with NPC Oppressors which is basically pointless as the NPC ships obviously do not even remotly follow the same rules that player ships have to follow .

Message Edited by darmokVtS on 11-30-2004 05:21 PM

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Not true, I've spent a long time PVPing in my Awing and if there is one thing I know how to do, it's manuever it. The players I flew against were the same players who I mentioned before however, who had somehow managed .1 or faster weapons, they all had UBER gear, after having farmed kessel every day for almost the entire day. So it's possible that they were simply using an engine with such high pitch/yaw that their oppressor was comperable to an Awing, Im not sure, but that's the only encounters I've had with an oppressor in PVP is them, they ALL use oppressors, and every one of them is more manueverable then an Awing.

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truewildman wrote:

I'm sorry, but Awing slower than the Oppressor?? I don't think so.

Many have achieved speeds of 1200 cruise speed, with over 1000 optimum turning speed, with plenty of mass left for weapons. And that's average. Some have exceeded that by far.

The Oppressor can't even come close to touching that. The only thing that can is the Interceptor, and the Awing has more mass.

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My top speed in my Oppressor is typically around 1145 or so. I'd say that's "close to touching that".

O.

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FantasticPlastic wrote:

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truewildman wrote:

I'm sorry, but Awing slower than the Oppressor?? I don't think so.

Many have achieved speeds of 1200 cruise speed, with over 1000 optimum turning speed, with plenty of mass left for weapons. And that's average. Some have exceeded that by far.

The Oppressor can't even come close to touching that. The only thing that can is the Interceptor, and the Awing has more mass.

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My top speed in my Oppressor is typically around 1145 or so. I'd say that's "close to touching that".

O.

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Damned good engine. However, my point still remains. The ratio of Awings to Oppressors is a wide gap.

The fact is, if you don't see your ship matching up with it's potential, it's the mix of components, RE'd, experimented, tested, etc. that you're doing wrong, not the game mechanics.

Right now, I'm trying what many have called an impossible feat. Making a Kihraxz into a moderate damage-capable fast fighter. I only 40k mass to work with.

So far I have:

a 13k energy reactor @ 3k mass.

a 900 power/ 38 regen capacitor @ 2k mass

1200 shields @ 5k mass

And I'm taking my time with it. I'm still looking for more, and better components. And, I'm having fun RPing my search. That's what it requires. No, you're not going to have it all nownownow.

Here are the cold, hard numbers. These are your ships' potentials. Find, search, whatever you have to do to bring it out:

Rebel:

• (Tier 0) Z-95: 5k Resources ~12k mass [SP: 1 Gun] 1 missile [Spdx 0.95 Acc 50 Dec 50 Pitch 600 Yaw 600 Roll 300]
  Official All 6 Textures
  
• (Tier 1) Y-Wing: 15k Resources ~150k mass [SP: 1 Gun MP:+1] 1 missile[Spdx 0.85 Acc 15 Dec 25 Pitch 80 Yaw 80 Roll 40]
  Official All 6 Textures
  
• (Tier 2) Y-Wing LP: 30k Resources ~150k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 2 missiles[Spdx 0.85 Acc 10 Dec 20 Pitch 70 Yaw 70 Roll 35]
  Official All 6 Textures
  
• (Tier 3) X-Wing: 60k Resources ~100k mass [SP: 3 Guns] 1 missiles[Spdx 0.95(Foils Closed) 0.90(Foils Open) Acc 25 Dec 30 Pitch 300 Yaw 200 Roll 150]
  Texture 1 Texture 2 Texture 3 Texture 4 Texture 5 Texture 6 All 6 together Official All 6 Textures
  
• (Tier 4) A-Wing: 80k Resources ~65k mass [SP: 1 Guns] 1 missile[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 250 Yaw 250 Roll 125]
  Texture 1 Texture 2 Texture 3 Texture 4 Texture 5 Texture 6 All 6 together Official All 6 Textures
  
• (Tier 5) B-Wing: 150k Resources ~240k mass [SP: 4 Guns] 2 missiles[Spdx 0.85(Foils Closed) 0.80 (Foils Open) Acc 10 Dec 15 Pitch 50 Yaw 50 Roll 25]
  Offical all 6 Textures and gun styles
  
• (Tier 5) Nova Courier: 150k Resources ~5m mass [SP: 0 Guns MP:+2] 3 missiles[Spdx 0.8 Acc 5 Dec 5 Pitch 50 Yaw 50 Roll 37.5]

Freelancer:

• (Tier 0) Scyk: 5k Resources ~12k mass [SP: 1 Guns] 1 missile[Spdx 0.95 Acc 50 Dec 50 Pitch 600 Yaw 600 Roll 300]
  Style 1 Style 2 Both in one pic All 6 Textures
  
• (Tier 1) Dunelizard: 15k Resources ~85k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 1 missile[Spdx 0.95 Acc 30 Dec 30 Pitch 300 Yaw 300 Roll 150]
  Style 1 Style 2 Both in one pic Official All 6 Textures - Style 1 Official All 6 Textures - Style 2
  
• (Tier 2) Kihraxz: 30k Resources ~40k mass [SP: 1 Guns] 1 missile[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 50 Pitch 400 Yaw 400 Roll 200]
  Texture 1 Texture 2 Texture 3 Texture 4 Texture 5 Texture 6 Style 1 Style 2 Style 3 Style 4 All 4 in one pic
  
• (Tier 2) Kimogila: 30k Resources ~110k mass [SP: 3 Guns] 1 missile[Spdx 0.92 Acc 35 Dec 35 Pitch 100 Yaw 100 Roll 50]
  Texture 1 Texture 2 Texture 3 Texture 4 Texture 5 Texture 6 Official All 6 Textures Style 1 Style 2 Both in one pic
  
• (Tier 3) Ixiyen: 65k Resources ~95k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 1 missile[Spdx 0.95 Acc 25 Dec 30 Pitch 200 Yaw 200 Roll 100]
  Style 1 Style 2 Style 3 Style 4 All 4 in one pic
  Style 3: Texture 1 Texture 2 Texture 3 Texture 4 Texture 5 Texture 6
  
• (Tier 4) Rihxyrk: 90k Resources ~190k mass [SP: 3 Guns] 1 missile[Spdx 0.89 Acc 35 Dec 35 Pitch 100 Yaw 100 Roll 50]
  Style 1 Style 2 Style 3 Style 4 All 4 in one pic All 6 Textures
  
• (Tier 5) YT-1300: 150k Resources ~5m mass [SP: 0 Guns MP:+2] 2 missiles[Spdx 0.8 Acc 5 Dec 5 Pitch 50 Yaw 50 Roll 37.5]
  Official All 6 Textures

Imperial:

• (Tier 0) TIE-LD: 5k Resources ~12k mass [SP: 1 Gun] 0 missile[Spdx ?? Acc 50 Dec 50 Pitch 600 Yaw 600 Roll 300]
  
• (Tier 1) TIE-F: 15k Resources ~20k mass [SP: 1 Gun] 1 missile[Spdx 0.98 Acc 40 Dec 50 Pitch 500 Yaw 500 Roll 250]
  
• (Tier 2) TIE/IN: 30k Resources ~40k mass [SP: 1 Guns] 1 missile[Spdx 0.97 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 300 Yaw 300 Roll 200]
  
• (Tier 3) TIE-Bomber: 60k Resources ~190k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 2 missiles[Spdx 0.85 Acc 10 Dec 15 Pitch 50 Yaw 50 Roll 25]
  
• (Tier 3) TIE-In: 60k Resources ~50k mass [SP: 1 Gun] 1 missile[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 300 Yaw 300 Roll 150]
  
• (Tier 4) TIE-Adv: 80k Resources ~65k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 1 missile[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 300 Yaw 300 Roll 150]
  
• (Tier 4) TIE-Agg: 80k Resources ~120k mass [SP: 1 Gun MP:+1] 1 missile[Spdx 0.95 Acc 20 Dec 30 Pitch 150 Yaw 150 Roll 75]
  
• (Tier 5) TIE-Opp: 150k Resources ~170k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 3 missiles[Spdx ?? Acc 35 Dec 35 Pitch 100 Yaw 100 Roll 50]
  
• (Tier 5) TIE-Dec: 150k Resources ~5m mass [SP: 0 Guns MP:+2] 3 missiles[Spdx ?? Acc 5 Dec 5 Pitch 50 Yaw 50 Roll 37.5]

Message Edited by truewildman on 11-30-2004 01:35 PM

The original poster is missing something and is looking for the composite of rebel ships.

Oh well

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Eans wrote:

yea but you can fly faster and turn sharper than us but explain to me how th eopressor is faster than a a-wing when the opressor has 4X the weight? not to mention u have more firepower

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opressor - experimental imperial starfigher......more mass-better equipment

The answer is the Empire is better funded, more advanced and has the best resources (generally).

Get over it. I am a rebel I know my place. We have less equipment. We win on skill and teamwork not technology.

"So I guess the only hope of competing with the high mass+high manueverability+small size of TIE Oppressor is the KSE firespray.. But before I blow 15-20 million..."

I'm sorry, I had to laugh here.

The Oppressor isn't a dogfighter. Anyone who's using it as one deserves to have their equipment decayed as PvP opponents rip their ship to shreds. It only maneuvers at peak performance at 75% throttle, and even then the vastly inferior stock maneuvering stats make it handle like a dog compared to the Tier IV ships. You often need to waste 1/3 of the mass to fit an L10 engine in that gives the ship one-half the abilities of an Advanced.

The Firespray is even worse, gaining maximum manueverability-to-speed at 50% throttle.

If your idea of a "worthwhile" PvP ship for the Rebels is an X-Wing with more mass that has maneuvering stats resplendent of an A-Wing, you can go soak your head in turpentine if you're not willing to suggest the same for the other pilot professions. I will NOT let you whining types of Rebels ruin JTL with the same logic you've used to erode the GCW.

The B-Wing was meant to be a slow-moving strike platform. For sake of comparison, it's an A-10. You don't send a Warthog to dogfight against front-line-fighters.

The Oppressor was meant to serve as a superiority platform with primary strike capabilities. It's an F-14 - stocky and maneuverable for something so large, but against a dedicated fighter in close quarters, it's ground beef.

The A-Wing, Interceptor, and Advanced, are dedicated dogfighters. One is an Mig-29, the next is an F-16C, and the last is an F/A-22.

i have to agree with this guys point. as a rebel i have no decent heavy fighter. the longprobe is a huge target, manuvers worse, is slower, and has less mass than the tie-opp and rhix.

the xwing has great performance, but the guns are spaced out really far and it doesnt have enough mass to really compete.

the awing is my favorite, you just tilt your head to the left and it turns for you, but at 65k mass the only thing that made it a viable option was the 92.2 reward engine (granted, the tie-adv has teh same problem and the tie-int is even worse). now i agree that we have no reason to complain about the awing not having mass, but what we can complain about is not having a heavy fighter.

im using my awing currently and i absolutly love it, but that engine is gonna wear out and if the shipwrights cant figure out how to replace it with the same mass or just slightly more, and i am unable to find a replacment, its going to be next to useless. ive been flying around lately without engine overload to see what its going to be like, and im having some trouble with it. i just wish we had something that was the on par with the tie-opp.

now im no expert in starwars lore, but i saw in some other thread someone mentioned that the xwing we have is not the "top of the line" model, and that there is some other varient of it that is supposed to be better. if we could just get a second version of the xwing at master level with more mass, and hell even less turning ability, i would be happy.

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KaylBreinhar wrote:
It only maneuvers at peak performance at 75% throttle

50% from my observations, I do agree on the rest of your posting tho