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Alristico
Wed May 11, 2005 4:42 pm
#144







Xeries wrote:





Alristico wrote:






Xeries wrote:

FYI Sony dose not own my copmputer or the internet.. just the software and the servers....




who said sony owned your com or the internet lol. What are you gunna to with your character without the servers?


I've got no clue where you were going whit that comparison and I don't know why you refuse to talk about the first comparison you made. My guess is you see the flaw in it and don't wish to discuss it.






what are you gonna do with your car when gas is obsolete? waht are you gonna do with your computer when its obsolete or broken? replace it.. do you place value on something only becasue it can be held in your hand? you see in all other areas of commerce the consumer has rights regarding his purchases.. in the software world its all fudged... in the end we have no rights... what am i gonnado with my charecter without servers.. /shrug that could be tommorow move on to a new game same thing if my mustang /escort blew up id get a new one... what IT is dose not matter hwo IT is treated as a "tradeable" commmodity dose matter.






let me put it this way. What does it matter? thats what I've been saying. Why do you want to own your character? what are you going to do with it other than use it within the confines and rules of this specific game?


*edit - what benefit will you get from owning your character that will not interfer with the game?

Message Edited by Alristico on 05-11-2005 07:43 PM



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Xeries
Wed May 11, 2005 4:48 pm
#145

If we the PLAYEr had rights then we would not have to put up with this piss poor customer service.. and piss poor coding period. As it stands now the Devs have no fear there is no reprecusinon for pushing out a turd onto us they opwn (monopolize) the SW license for MMORPG's going back to my Kasshhyyk phone compay this is how AT&T was and whack got slapped with anti-trust ... SOE has a monopoly ina niche and could care less what they do as long as some people are playing and they are in the black...


honeslty alot of you have hard working jobs.. If you turned in shoddy work like we have in SWG would you still have a job i wouldnt



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Alristico
Wed May 11, 2005 4:57 pm
#146






Xeries wrote:

If we the PLAYEr had rights then we would not have to put up with this piss poor customer service.. and piss poor coding period. As it stands now the Devs have no fear there is no reprecusinon for pushing out a turd onto us they opwn (monopolize) the SW license for MMORPG's going back to my Kasshhyyk phone compay this is how AT&T was and whack got slapped with anti-trust ... SOE has a monopoly ina niche and could care less what they do as long as some people are playing and they are in the black...


honeslty alot of you have hard working jobs.. If you turned in shoddy work like we have in SWG would you still have a job i wouldnt






there are no monopolies here. You don't have to play this game, there are many other mmog's that are in competition with this one. You can cancel at any time and play one of the others. SOE provides a optional service and they are competing with other companies which are providing a similar service.


sounds like you want to take over the game and make it different cause you don't like certain things. lol how ego-centric. This game isn't yours and theres no reason for soe to give its customers rights that will change its service. Especially when its just a game competing with other similar games. Its not a needed commodity lol.





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Xeries
Wed May 11, 2005 5:01 pm
#147






Alristico wrote:





Xeries wrote:

If we the PLAYEr had rights then we would not have to put up with this piss poor customer service.. and piss poor coding period. As it stands now the Devs have no fear there is no reprecusinon for pushing out a turd onto us they opwn (monopolize) the SW license for MMORPG's going back to my Kasshhyyk phone compay this is how AT&T was and whack got slapped with anti-trust ... SOE has a monopoly ina niche and could care less what they do as long as some people are playing and they are in the black...


honeslty alot of you have hard working jobs.. If you turned in shoddy work like we have in SWG would you still have a job i wouldnt






there are no monopolies here. You don't have to play this game, there are many other mmog's that are in competition with this one. You can cancel at any time and play one of the others. SOE provides a optional service and they are competing with other companies which are providing a similar service.


sounds like you want to take over the game and make it different cause you don't like certain things. lol how ego-centric. This game isn't yours and theres no reason for soe to give its customers rights that will change its service. Especially when its just a game competing with other similar games. Its not a needed commodity lol.








no no no i haev no problem with game changes just Quality .. and no i cant go Enjoy the SW universe anywhere else...


We should not be subject to poor quality.. if they want to make wholesale cahnges GREAT be prepared to do so... I personally think the CU is a good thing but right now with the bugs its not...





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Jedi Knight (LightSide)
"Once a man tastes freedom he realizes how bitter the taste of tyrany has been."
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Alristico
Wed May 11, 2005 5:10 pm
#148






Xeries wrote:





Alristico wrote:





Xeries wrote:

If we the PLAYEr had rights then we would not have to put up with this piss poor customer service.. and piss poor coding period. As it stands now the Devs have no fear there is no reprecusinon for pushing out a turd onto us they opwn (monopolize) the SW license for MMORPG's going back to my Kasshhyyk phone compay this is how AT&T was and whack got slapped with anti-trust ... SOE has a monopoly ina niche and could care less what they do as long as some people are playing and they are in the black...


honeslty alot of you have hard working jobs.. If you turned in shoddy work like we have in SWG would you still have a job i wouldnt






there are no monopolies here. You don't have to play this game, there are many other mmog's that are in competition with this one. You can cancel at any time and play one of the others. SOE provides a optional service and they are competing with other companies which are providing a similar service.


sounds like you want to take over the game and make it different cause you don't like certain things. lol how ego-centric. This game isn't yours and theres no reason for soe to give its customers rights that will change its service. Especially when its just a game competing with other similar games. Its not a needed commodity lol.








no no no i haev no problem with game changes just Quality .. and no i cant go Enjoy the SW universe anywhere else...


We should not be subject to poor quality.. if they want to make wholesale cahnges GREAT be prepared to do so... I personally think the CU is a good thing but right now with the bugs its not...








If you bought a snickers bar and thought it needed more peanuts would you expect to have theright to make Mars change its recipe so that whenever you bought another snickers bar it had more peanuts?


you can't enjoy the taste of a snickers from any other food



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airon
Wed May 11, 2005 5:12 pm
#149

thats not a fair comparison as a snikers bar cannot be manipulated after purcahse...
Alristico
Wed May 11, 2005 5:16 pm
#150







airon wrote:
thats not a fair comparison as a snikers bar cannot be manipulated after purcahse...






thats not the point. You buy both a snickersbar and swg with prior knowledge. For swg that prior knowledge is that it can and will change if you don't like that then why would you buy it? It would be like buying a candy bar that you don't like.

Message Edited by Alristico on 05-11-2005 08:19 PM



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airon
Wed May 11, 2005 5:21 pm
#151

negative you dont get accsees to the full eula unitl after opening the box or installing the software so u must first purchase it since most stores dont take open software back...
Alristico
Wed May 11, 2005 5:30 pm
#152






airon wrote:
negative you dont get accsees to the full eula unitl after opening the box or installing the software so u must first purchase it since most stores dont take open software back...





Its on the main swg site. Not that notbeing able to change a game owned and operated by someoneelseisn't common sense.



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Alristico
Wed May 11, 2005 5:34 pm
#153

right on the game box it says, "game experience may change during online play"


now what?





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airon
Wed May 11, 2005 5:41 pm
#154






Alristico wrote:

right on the game box it says, "game experience may change during online play"


now what?








that is waaay to broad a statement to cover what the eula is.. as the box dose not say by opening this box you agree to a eula .. only after installing adn opening the box and reading...
airon
Wed May 11, 2005 5:47 pm
#155






Alristico wrote:





airon wrote:






Alristico wrote:

right on the game box it says, "game experience may change during online play"


now what?








that is waaay to broad a statement to cover what the eula is.. as the box dose not say by opening this box you agree to a eula .. only after installing adn opening the box and reading...






the discussion was not about the specifics of the eula. It was about the fact that the game can be changed and that you think you should have some sort of "right" to either prevent changes or change it only the way you like it lol.


don't try to change the argument.







nope my argument was ni liue to the Buggy enviroment and "forced" testing we haev been subject too not change.. change is fine thats what Test center is for not live...
The devs should be held accountabel for shoddy work . other than the thousands of cancelld accounts... i do not know who their boss is but he is forgiving.

Message Edited by airon on 05-11-2005 05:48 PM

Alristico
Wed May 11, 2005 5:58 pm
#156






airon wrote:






Alristico wrote:





airon wrote:






Alristico wrote:

right on the game box it says, "game experience may change during online play"


now what?








that is waaay to broad a statement to cover what the eula is.. as the box dose not say by opening this box you agree to a eula .. only after installing adn opening the box and reading...






the discussion was not about the specifics of the eula. It was about the fact that the game can be changed and that you think you should have some sort of "right" to either prevent changes or change it only the way you like it lol.


don't try to change the argument.







nope my argument was ni liue to the Buggy enviroment and "forced" testing we haev been subject too not change.. change is fine thats what Test center is for not live...
The devs should be held accountabel for shoddy work . other than the thousands of cancelld accounts... i do not know who their boss is but he is forgiving.

Message Edited by airon on 05-11-2005 05:48 PM




no this is where the argument started,

"The eula is the most illegal bit of computer software. can you imagine if when you purchased a car the dealership siad ok you can leave with the mustang today but we reserve the right to come over repo it and replace it with a escort at our liesure and no cahnge in monthly fees.. well tahts what the eula dose.."


Theres nothing about test center in there. Now stop trying to get away from your original flawed statement.You want to be able to change the game the way you want. You are just a big complainer.





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