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Slvrwolf
Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:23 am
#1
I dunno, they used to turn on a dime to try and get behind you. Now I turn around and I see them going in a straight line. It takes them ages to turn back. And I have to follow them if I hope to kill them, and then their friends shoot me in the back. I liked the old AI better 
Also, is it me or did the controls get kinda sluggish? Maybe it's an illusion caused by the fact thatwe can't zoom out as far now, but I find I'm turning somewhat slower than I used to. >_>
FantasticPlastic
Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:59 am
#2
If you're having a harder time killing them, wouldn't that make them "smarter", not dumber? 
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Fried_Yoda
Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:03 am
#4
the dumbest AI and the most annoying is the A-wing. It flies at ltremendous speeds and just does one big elipse around you. It flights at you guns blasting, then zooms by about 500m away, turns around, and comes at you again. If you don't have a fast enough engine, by the time you turn to face it, it's already on it's way back at you. It has no other evasive maneuvers, just that one elliptical path
FantasticPlastic
Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:19 pm
#5
In a ship with relatively heavy shields and armor, this A-wing tactic is actually much easier to defeat now. I just slow down to an almost-stop and shoot them head-on as they fly at me. I usually target the Engine.
In an Oppressor I have better shields and armor than they do, plus I have two guns so I can usually disable them on one or two jousting volleys, then close in and blow them up.
I actually found it much more tedious before--it would take around 10 minutes to defeat a single A-wing, chasing it endlessly until I could get enough hits in.
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In an Oppressor I have better shields and armor than they do, plus I have two guns so I can usually disable them on one or two jousting volleys, then close in and blow them up.
I actually found it much more tedious before--it would take around 10 minutes to defeat a single A-wing, chasing it endlessly until I could get enough hits in.
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Vicotnik
Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:38 pm
#6
That's not just limited to the A-wing. The same is true with just about all TIE-fighter types of NPC's.
Fried_Yoda wrote:
the dumbest AI and the most annoying is the A-wing. It flies at ltremendous speeds and just does one big elipse around you. It flights at you guns blasting, then zooms by about 500m away, turns around, and comes at you again. If you don't have a fast enough engine, by the time you turn to face it, it's already on it's way back at you. It has no other evasive maneuvers, just that one elliptical path
Phienyx
Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:12 pm
#7
I wish they would make the AI more "life like". I understand that the AI is directing the NPC to try to get behind you, but It would be more fun and interesting if theyemployed more than the "fly in circles" maneuver to do so.
NanokTaemon
Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:59 pm
#8
"In a ship with relatively heavy shields and armor, this A-wing tactic is actually much easier to defeat now. I just slow down to an almost-stop and shoot them head-on as they fly at me. I usually target the Engine."
That's all fine and dandy when you're just fighting one A-Wing. But on my duty missions, I'm usually fighting 2 A-Wings plus a Rihkxyrk bomber. So if I try your "almost-stop" technique on one A-Wing, the other A-Wing will nail me with lasers while the Rihkxyrk bombards me with missiles.
IMO, the old AI was way too easy and the new/current AI is way too hard. The Devs need to find a happy medium.
Message Edited by NanokTaemon on 11-20-2004 06:59 PM
ROBO1964
Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:20 am
#9
The AI is worse than before the patch. I can target engines and take em out when they flt straight at me in 1 pass 100% of the time. The thing thats stupid is I would prefer to chase them but the Dev's gave the ships some super engines that players don't have so they pull away from any ship. So now you have one option sit in middle and kill ships as they come straight at you. At least before I felt like I was dog fighting. Now I feel like I am exploiting a poor AI that cheats.
Amuro0079
Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:41 am
#10
They're using strategies. Flying in a straight line will make you think it's an easy kill, so you'll likely to follow it and then some other ships will attack you in the back. So don't focus too much on any one ship if you're outnumbered.
Slvrwolf wrote:
It would if they didn't fly in straight lines
JediKnightCZ
Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:47 am
#11
The new AI isn't hard. It's awesome. DEVs did a very good job on it.
MariketheWookiee
Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:57 am
#12
the thing with the ai, before in beta i felt like i was truely dog fighting, the enemy ai was doing sharp turns to get behind me, i was having to manuver quick and try to reverse it..... with this current ai instead of trying to get behind me, the ship just zooms off 500m and turns head on..... ??? thats not dog fighting.... i want the ship to try to tail me, not run away so i have to try to shoot him at 500m.... (also that exposes his tail to fire big time... i usualy just throw a bunch of punches in there) also they seem to all have had engine upgrades...
JediKnightCZ
Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:28 am
#13
MariketheWookiee wrote:
the thing with the ai, before in beta i felt like i was truely dog fighting, the enemy ai was doing sharp turns to get behind me, i was having to manuver quick and try to reverse it..... with this current ai instead of trying to get behind me, the ship just zooms off 500m and turns head on..... ??? thats not dog fighting.... i want the ship to try to tail me, not run away so i have to try to shoot him at 500m.... (also that exposes his tail to fire big time... i usualy just throw a bunch of punches in there) also they seem to all have had engine upgrades...
Use boosters.
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