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EvanHalcyon
Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:14 am
#1

Quick question for the community in hopes someone can help give me an answer. I currently have rudder pedals I would like to use in conjunction with my joystick in jtl. When I go to the keymapper, it recognizes the rudder pedals as joystick axis 3. I assign it to roll, click apply and select done. However, once I try to use the rudder pedals on my ship, it doesn't work, regardless of the fact the keymapper recognized the command. Any suggestions here as to what I may be doing wrong or something I can do to get these to work? I'm a pilot irl and would feel much more at home using the rudder pedals as opposed to the twisting joystick. Thanks for your input everyone.


Cheers,



Finn Halleck

Gorath
EvanHalcyon
Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:13 am
#2

bump
EvanHalcyon
Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:05 am
#3

anyone?
Escoh
Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:20 am
#4

WOW! I dunno. I dont think ive heard of anyone have the rudder petals.


If it accepts the keymap it should work.


/shrug


Make sure when you go to your key map your setting it then clicking OK not ESC. I tend to hit the ESC Key and that will not save your map info.


Maybe try mapping to something else like weapon just to see if it works.


sorry mate



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Raano_Geds
Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:35 am
#5

I'm using rudder pedals with JTL and they're working just fine. The only possibility I can think of is that there could be something weird going on behind the scenes. Do you have all your control devices set up as one hybrid controller? (Probably a 3- or 4-axis rig?) If not, I suppose it's possible that JTL might be recognizing the axis but not actually applying the control.

That's the only thing I can think of. For what it's worth, I'm using a CH Products rig, so your mileage may vary.



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Davosyn
Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:36 am
#6

Do your pedals work on the desktop? Go to your control panel and find them, likely under Game Controllers, and configure them if you haven't...but I figure you have since you sound like you have used them before...

I've had experiences with games and gamepads before myself, I can tell you that sometimes they recognize the button as another button. Try pressing the corresponding button in the keymap with the one on the pad and see if it performs the function, if so then it doesn't actually recognize your pedals.

I can tell you now, though, I seriously doubt they made it with pedals in mind, that would be more work than expected considering how many people use them?

Not many, but I certainly would use them!
SaleusCorwen
Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:57 am
#7






Raano_Geds wrote:
I'm using rudder pedals with JTL and they're working just fine. The only possibility I can think of is that there could be something weird going on behind the scenes. Do you have all your control devices set up as one hybrid controller? (Probably a 3- or 4-axis rig?) If not, I suppose it's possible that JTL might be recognizing the axis but not actually applying the control.

That's the only thing I can think of. For what it's worth, I'm using a CH Products rig, so your mileage may vary.






someone else posted about hte same issue and i believe this was the problem..



JTL can only uses 1 controler..



so if you have joystick and then a seperate set of rudders (Control #2) then it won't see the rudders..


someone mentioned that their rudders where working in the game only because the manufacturer provides the software to combine all controlers into 1 Device. essentially allowing JTL to use all the controlers..




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EvanHalcyon
Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:56 pm
#8

Yeah I did that too already, I'm just trying to get the rudder pedals to work now as the keymapper recognizes them, but can't fly with them. Thanks for the CH Control Manager idea. I'd prefer not to buy a new joystick as I already have CH pro pedals and a sidewinder 3d pro joystick. Both work in tandem fine with WWII online, but that could be due to there not being a limit on number of controllers used at one time. However, it may be worth looking into for the long run.
Raano_Geds
Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:00 am
#9



SaleusCorwen wrote:


Raano_Geds wrote:
I'm using rudder pedals with JTL and they're working just fine. The only possibility I can think of is that there could be something weird going on behind the scenes. Do you have all your control devices set up as one hybrid controller? (Probably a 3- or 4-axis rig?) If not, I suppose it's possible that JTL might be recognizing the axis but not actually applying the control.

That's the only thing I can think of. For what it's worth, I'm using a CH Products rig, so your mileage may vary.


someone else posted about hte same issue and i believe this was the problem..

JTL can only uses 1 controler..

so if you have joystick and then a seperate set of rudders (Control #2) then it won't see the rudders..

someone mentioned that their rudders where working in the game only because the manufacturer provides the software to combine all controlers into 1 Device. essentially allowing JTL to use all the controlers..






It's possible that the someone you mentioned was me as well. I *think* Saitek's programming software allows something similar, but for CH Products, their Control Manager 3.0 software will allow you to combine multiple devices to form virtually any configuration from a 2-axis, 2-button controller to an 8-axis, 32-button controller.



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Kudali
Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:56 am
#10



EvanHalcyon wrote:
Quick question for the community in hopes someone can help give me an answer. I currently have rudder pedals I would like to use in conjunction with my joystick in jtl. When I go to the keymapper, it recognizes the rudder pedals as joystick axis 3. I assign it to roll, click apply and select done. However, once I try to use the rudder pedals on my ship, it doesn't work, regardless of the fact the keymapper recognized the command. Any suggestions here as to what I may be doing wrong or something I can do to get these to work? I'm a pilot irl and would feel much more at home using the rudder pedals as opposed to the twisting joystick. Thanks for your input everyone.
Cheers,
Finn Halleck
Gorath





Ok, sort of a nonsequiter, since I have no idea why it wouldn't be working if the keymap finds it... but if you're a pilot wouldn't you want the rudder pedals to control yaw and not roll? I am a big fan of flight sims, so the first thing I did in JTL was to swtich the stick axes so that left on the stick would roll me left instead of yaw left... I felt that the way it was configured by default was unnatural. Just a thought...

-kudali
Agape_Eloheim
Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:51 pm
#11

I have CH Pro Rudder Pedals with a Saitek X-52 joystick. The X-52 is inop in JTL, but being worked. It all comes down to this: JTL is not using standard DirectInput to read the controller inputs. So... it won't recognize the 2nd controller. If the rudder is selected as the primary controller, it tries to use it as a joystick (the rudders have 3 axis by themselves).



SOE... add standard DirectInput support to JTL and these controller problems go away! Cougar HOTAS, Saitek X-52 and any new controller will be handled at the OS level. The code was placed there for a reason... compatibility.



It sure would be nice to have a Dev respond to this... This it the forth place I've posted this issue with no response from SOE:


1. Created a ticket in game... told to post in Tech Support forum

2. Posted in Tech Support forum... replied to an existing post... over 1 month old and not even a peep at if this is being looked at.

3. Contacted live chatto talk to a person at SOE... was told that they weren't even sure if rudders would be supported in the future... complete non-answer because (in my opinion) of beaurocracy instead of responsive customer service (the whole organization, not any specific individual)

4. Replied to a post here... no response from Devs here either


This all points to an organization willing to accept non-standard code and willing to let customer go instead of proactively working problems. You can't expect every problem to be addressed personally, but this controller issue is spreading to more contraollers, not less.


shootingiron
Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:17 pm
#12




Great discussion guys, I was considering buying some rudder pedals but now I’m not so sure. I’ve got a Saitek X-45 stick and throttle, anyone have any recommendations for some petals that they know will work with JTL?




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Agape_Eloheim
Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:43 pm
#13

CH does offer something that (theoretically) should work in JTL. They have a program with their controllers that allows multiple controllers to be treated as if they were one controller. This will get around the JTL problem of recognizing only one controller. However, the catch is that you have to use CH products; other vendors hardware is not configured by the software. I have the software with my CH Pro Pedals.
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