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FragRock-Creatures
Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:22 pm
#1
"Yes, this is a game. In this game we run virtual business. The point of a business, is to make profit.
If you want to treat your crafting profession as a hobby, that's fine.. but don't claim you are running a business when your business is 'charity' "
Dude seriously you got some serious problems...I'm just glad you play on Eclipse, and i feel bad for anyone that deals with someone so obsessed with making fake money, i hope you have a real job
CarpetGunk
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:08 pm
#2
Below is a list of ships, grouped together according to the resources required to make them. Ships from different factions that require the same amount and type of resources are priced equally as to not show any favoritism to a specific faction. Please allow time for me to master Shipwright to have access to all ship blueprints.
* All resources cost 1cpu except siliclastic ore and copper, and those are only 2cpu.
** Total cost = Resource cost + plus an incremental increase of 20k in labor per level of ship
*** When you buy a particular ship blueprint - you still have to take it to a Starship Chassis Broker (NPC) located in most major starports for him to turn it into an actual chassis. Shipwrights have no control over this. A reactor and engine must be equipped on the ship in order to at least get it into space and must be purchased/looted/acquired seperately. You have to be certified to fly these ships, so don't waste money now, on a ship you won't be able to fly for some time to come (if money is an issue).
Ship Faction Color Key
Privateer (Neutral) Ships
Rebel Ships
Imperial Ships
1) Syck (Both Styles)
2) Z-95 Headhunter
3) TIE Light Duty
Frame: 2k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 1k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 1k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 1k Aluminum @ 1cpu
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TOTAL COST: Above resources = 5k + 20k labor = 25,000 Credits
4) Dunelizard (Both styles)
5) Y-Wing (NOT Longprobe version)
6) TIE Fighter
Frame: 5k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 2k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 2k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 2k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 2k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 2k Aluminum @ 1cpu
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TOTAL COST: Above resources = 15k + 40k labor = 55,000 Credits
7) Kihraxz (All 4 Styles)
8) Kimogila (Both Styles)
9) Y-Wing "Longprobe" Version
10) TIE/In Space Superiority Starfighter
Frame: 9k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 3k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 3k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 3k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 3k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 3k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 3k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 3k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
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TOTAL COST: Above resources = 30k + 60k labor = 90,000 Credits
11) Ixiyen Fast Attack (All 4 styles)
12) X-Wing
13) TIE Bomber
14) TIE Interceptor
Frame: 18k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 6k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 6k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 6k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 6k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 6k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 6k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 6k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
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TOTAL COST: Above resources = 60k + 80k labor = 140,000 Credits
15) Rihkxyrk (All 4 Styles)
16) A-Wing
17) TIE Advanced
18) TIE Aggressor
Frame: 24k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 8k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 8k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 8k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 8k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 8k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 8k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 8k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
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TOTAL COST: Above resources = 80k + 100k labor = 180,000 Credits
19) YT-1300
20) VT-49
21) YKL-37R
22) B-Wing
23) TIE Oppressor
Frame: 60k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 10k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 10k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 10k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 10k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 10k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 10k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 10k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Structural Support: 10k Siliclastic Ore @ 2cpu
Pulse Shielding: 10k Copper @ 2cpu
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TOTAL COST: Above resources = 170k + 120k labor = 290,000 Credits
Lilliestar
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:12 pm
#3
I was trying to see how I was going to price ships and those numbers are not bad.
do you mind if I can use the same you got here?
Capt_Moroni
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:12 pm
#4
This is a nicely put together suggestion on ship pricing. Gold Star to you!
DingoBoi
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:14 pm
#5
actually this is called unreasonable pricing. You can sell the resources for more than that with your time cost thrown in easily.
Selling product for less than the resources are worth is stupid
Selling product for less than your time worth is stupid.
Obviously you neither value your product nor your time, hence, you are.....
You are merely trying to crash the market and make shipwright as bad as architect is.
But, stupid is as stupid does. Hope other shipwrights buy out your stock, because you are selling far to low and you damn well know it.
MajorReb
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:16 pm
#6
DingoBoi wrote:
actually this is called unreasonable pricing. You can sell the resources for more than that with your time cost thrown in easily.
Selling product for less than the resources are worth is stupid
Selling product for less than your time worth is stupid.
Obviously you neither value your product nor your time, hence, you are.....
You are merely trying to crash the market and make shipwright as bad as architect is.
But, stupid is as stupid does. Hope other shipwrights buy out your stock, because you are selling far to low and you damn well know it.
Seems fair enough. No one's forcing you to buy their products and it's not hurting you if they sell their ships at a good price
And screaming conspiracy is a little funny, lol
WranglerDekar
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:17 pm
#7
yes its horrible pricing...min cpu on anyting you make for a profit is 3cpu....as u can get things at 2cpu if you were forced to buy...
the same crap happened in smuggler as well w/ the 100cr / %
Mejowepra
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:23 pm
#8
If I may say so, why on earth would you use 1 cpu pricing? That's insanely low considering you actually want to use quality resources in ships. When I was an arch I priced harvesters that used about 10% quality resources at 4 cpu and that was CHEAP.
Ah well, it's mainly your loss. I am all for good values but selling at those low prices borders on not making a profit (I know mining costs well below 1 cpu, especailly if you don't buy power, but still!).
Ah well, it's mainly your loss. I am all for good values but selling at those low prices borders on not making a profit (I know mining costs well below 1 cpu, especailly if you don't buy power, but still!).
DingoBoi
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:24 pm
#9
WranglerDekar wrote:
yes its horrible pricing...min cpu on anyting you make for a profit is 3cpu....as u can get things at 2cpu if you were forced to buy...
the same crap happened in smuggler as well w/ the 100cr / %
that's the point. He isn't in this for the profit. We've had discussion via email here and he has no or little concern for that. That's fine and I respect that.
What I don't respect is his attempt to call his prices reasonable as if it should be the norm and that anyone charging more who actually does value their time and resources is somehow 'bad'.
He purports to call his pricing 'reasonable' when it is anything but reasonable. It's downright irrational.
MajorReb
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:24 pm
#10
/shrug
I'm getting a guildie to sell me ships. I would suggest other people do to for good deals.He says that he'll only charge what the resources cost them and a very slight profit, for guildies that is
Mejowepra
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:25 pm
#11
MajorReb wrote:
DingoBoi wrote:actually this is called unreasonable pricing. You can sell the resources for more than that with your time cost thrown in easily.Selling product for less than the resources are worth is stupidSelling product for less than your time worth is stupid.Obviously you neither value your product nor your time, hence, you are.....You are merely trying to crash the market and make shipwright as bad as architect is.But, stupid is as stupid does. Hope other shipwrights buy out your stock, because you are selling far to low and you damn well know it.Seems fair enough. No one's forcing you to buy their products and it's not hurting you if they sell their ships at a good price
And screaming conspiracy is a little funny, lol
Well, actually, ship market might become full relatively fast without insanely low pricing. Considering the resource requirements and that you need quality resources, these prices are unreasonble. 1 cpu resource cost is just plain silly for a finished product.
Of course, perhaps this guy will sell ghetto quality ships and if so I guess it might be a "good deal"? Remember, quality of resources most importantly affect the mass of items you can load in a ship.
tIme2DiE
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:30 pm
#12
Do these things have varying stats. Do you use high-quality resources or just throw together any metal of the bazaar.
If these do not require quality resources, then 1 cpu-2cpu is reasonable.
Mejowepra
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:39 pm
#13
Quality is required as I said, and even with scrap metal 1 cpu is if not a loss, too low. Now he's adding "labor cost" which makes it a bit more sane, but still. I would expect master level ships to be priced 2-5 times as high as this and not find it unreasonble.
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