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Thread: Force Armor 2 + Force Intimidate 2 + 0404LS & Synthsteak = No Need For MLS?
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ScottyFL
Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:23 pm
#1
Guys, check my math in this example:
With MLS:
2000 damage minus 66% (FI2) = 680
680 damage minus saber toughness of 55% = 306
306 minus FA2 (45%) = 168.3
168.3 minus sythsteak (45%) = 92.565
What's interesting here to me, especially since I'm considering a non=MLS template (0404 LS), is even with only 40% saber toughness, the numbers are good:
With LS 0404:
2000 damage minus 66% (FI2) = 680
680 damage minus saber toughness of 40% = 408
408 minus FA2 (45%) = 224.4
224.4 minus synthsteak (45%) = 123.4
Of course, percentage-wise, at 0404 LS you are taking 25% more damage than you would at MLS. Plus you are also going down from 85 to 60 Saber Block, which is important defense against ranged guys. MLS is still important to get, but from looking at these numbers, you could do a template with FA2 & FI2 and get by.
JemyM
Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:36 pm
#2
Currently im doing very nice in PvE with only Force Armor 1...
but against a player...
first of all, the fight will take a long time. You can heal, the opponent can heal. 45% synthsteak might sound much, but its out in 30-40 seconds, then what?
Force Intimidate 2 is very expensive, and time out in 1,5min. Force Armor 2 might look good at the paper, but suck up alot of force. It works fine for awhile, but in the end you will have used up most of your force while the MLS guy havnt even started to use his.
Furthermore, when you are both maxed out, the MLS guy will do 65% more damage than you do, thanks to his natural toughness, 4th generation saber and more powerful special.
Darth_Bravo
Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:39 pm
#3
and speed
JemyM wrote:
Currently im doing very nice in PvE with only Force Armor 1...
but against a player...
first of all, the fight will take a long time. You can heal, the opponent can heal. 45% synthsteak might sound much, but its out in 30-40 seconds, then what?
Force Intimidate 2 is very expensive, and time out in 1,5min. Force Armor 2 might look good at the paper, but suck up alot of force. It works fine for awhile, but in the end you will have used up most of your force while the MLS guy havnt even started to use his.
Furthermore, when you are both maxed out, the MLS guy will do 65% more damage than you do, thanks to his natural toughness, 4th generation saber and more powerful special.
Llazarus
Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:41 pm
#4
According to JemyM you can pwn noobs with 44x LS Master Healer and Master Enhancer 
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JemyM
Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:44 pm
#5
Darth_Bravo wrote:
and speed
JemyM wrote:
Furthermore, when you are both maxed out, the MLS guy will do 65% more damage than you do, thanks to his natural toughness, 4th generation saber and more powerful special.
Im actually speedcapped with Melee Speed IV and Force Celerity III
(which makes a major difference in PvE really)
JemyM
Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:45 pm
#6
Llazarus wrote:
According to JemyM you can pwn noobs with 44x LS Master Healer and Master Enhancer
I can solo Mos Eisley cantina any time with that template
ScottyFL
Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:56 pm
#7
OK, what if you just want to mainly do PvE? I can always run from a PvP fight!
JemyM
Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:10 pm
#8
ossireese wrote:
Please explain to me how you can have a 500 dam 2handed third gen when the top pvp guys need 4 almost perfect (-9 50/50 ) pearls to get a 500 dam 4th gen double blade
ScottyFL wrote:
My third gen 2h saber maxes out at over 500 right now. With Force Speed 2, I can kill all rancors pretty quickly.
My 3rd Gen 1h max out on forcecost at 234dmg. With 3 50dmg crystals it do 384dmg.
A 4th Gen DB max out on forcecost at 309dmg. With 4 50dmg crystals it do 509dmg.
A 3rd Gen 2h maxed out on damage at 292dmg. With 3 50dmg crystals it do 442dmg, but with a nifty forcecost.
A 4th Gen DB max out on forcecost at 309dmg. With 4 50dmg crystals it do 509dmg.
A 3rd Gen 2h maxed out on damage at 292dmg. With 3 50dmg crystals it do 442dmg, but with a nifty forcecost.
ossireese
Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:12 pm
#9
JemyM wrote:
ossireese wrote:
Please explain to me how you can have a 500 dam 2handed third gen when the top pvp guys need 4 almost perfect (-9 50/50 ) pearls to get a 500 dam 4th gen double blade
ScottyFL wrote:
My third gen 2h saber maxes out at over 500 right now. With Force Speed 2, I can kill all rancors pretty quickly.
My 3rd Gen 1h max out on forcecost at 234dmg. With 3 50dmg crystals it do 384dmg.
A 4th Gen DB max out on forcecost at 309dmg. With 4 50dmg crystals it do 509dmg.
A 3rd Gen 2h maxed out on damage at 292dmg. With 3 50dmg crystals it do 442dmg, but with a nifty forcecost.
Exactly my point.
ScottyFL
Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:12 pm
#10
I dunno, but I crafted it last year, lol. I always eat the experimentation foods, etc. and stand near this crafting station in my house when tune pearls. I also always get buffed fully, including my mind, when I tune pearls and when I made this saber, which is the only one I've ever made.
I got some real good Culsion Gas and the best materials, yada, yada. I also have one of those 15.00 weapon making kits. It's been so long since I made the saber, I really don't remember exactly. But I read the guides that were posted here in this forum before I did anything.
When the anti-decay kit came out, I finally decided to put in some high-damage pearls & crystals since they would not decay. That got my damage as high as it's ever been.
I'll check it again tonight, but I think it's like 322-504 damage for my 3rd gen 2H LS.
So maybe I don't need MLS after all, lol.
Message Edited by ScottyFL on 02-16-2005 05:06 PM
Barb-Wire
Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:23 am
#11
ScottyFL wrote:
OK, what if you just want to mainly do PvE? I can always run from a PvP fight!
lack of private saber difficulty means your barely scratching a krayt or other big game worth hunting. but if your entire future PVE career is hunting voritor trackers and rancor youth.... sabers 4 tech 4 is viable.
JemyM
Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:30 am
#12
lets say you use a really sweet 3rd generation 2h saber... I would say that you would max out the saber somewhere around 390 damage. That would do about 1350 damage max, more likely somewhere around 1k damage average against the tough PvE stuff, BodyHit3 might be more useful.
Using ForceSpeed III to bring you up to speedcap, you will requireabout 6minutes of bashing to kill a nightsister elder. Starting with an empty stomach you can eat 2 synthsteaks and a thaktillo, which will save your rear for 2 minutes. You will have to use FI2 4 times, equal to 1600 force, and will most likely waste several K force on FA2 and heals.
Personally I would probably go for FA1 and Exo-Proteins instead. Lasts longer.
yanini
Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:32 am
#13
u = FA2 up + FIntimidate 2
i = Clear all states + procceed to whoop up on u
u= Spam Heal
i = Continue to whoop up on u
u= FA2 + Heal all self 5 times = run out of force
i = finish whooping up on u and DB
u = 
i =
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