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Thread: Force should regen at the same rate mind regens when sitting.
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mauvros
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:23 am
#1
I can understand it no doing so in the old days when
Force=Jedi=Power
Now we are no more powerful than an Elite template who has to sit for 10 seconds to be back to full for every HAM.
Also due to group hunting without VIS force is also NEVER a problem when grinding. This alone was the reason for the force bar and its regen rates. Now that we can group for MUCH better XP than we can solo whats the point?
Force still serves a purpose and I can understand that, but the regen no longer serves a purpose.
When not in combat and sitting our force bar should regen extremely fast.
I understand Meditate will become useless and so if they dont want to do the above make Meditate regen as fast as an Elite template mind bar does when sitting.
Thoughts?
-Lexica-
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:27 am
#4
I just wish that meditate worked faster then what it does. I can be out of force and med, go have a smoke hit the restroom and come back and still not be full.
Jive17
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:27 am
#5
I agree as well. This would make not many ppl take the enh xxx4 tree at all though unless going master.
KRAKEN666
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:28 am
#6
i dont ever remember in any jedi movie of the force just running out on a character...why in the world does soe have to impliment a force bar in the first place. it goes against every star wars movie. yes, the force gets greater the more you increase your templates but for the force to be drained away is saying that there is a finite amount of the force allocated to each jedi and then... no moresoup for you!...
rheven
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:29 am
#7
darthjaycen wrote:
Will never happen because it makes to much since
yea his got a point devs never did something that make sense
mauvros
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:31 am
#8
KRAKEN666 wrote:
i dont ever remember in any jedi movie of the force just running out on a character...why in the world does soe have to impliment a force bar in the first place. it goes against every star wars movie. yes, the force gets greater the more you increase your templates but for the force to be drained away is saying that there is a finite amount of the force allocated to each jedi and then... no moresoup for you!...
Because this is "PRE JEDI NERF" thinking. Back when Jedi was uber you needed to stop them with something or they could grind 24/7 without any downtime.
Now that we have been reduced to pretty much the same power as an Elite template you really could completely remove the force bar.
The Mind Bar= The new force bar. Without ones mind you cant heal and your dead. This is a rule for every profession except Jedi because if we also have no force and a full tank of mind we are also dead.
Message Edited by mauvros on 09-12-2005 11:32 AM
Iawalein
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:34 am
#9
Jive17 wrote:I agree as well. This would make not many ppl take the enh xxx4 tree at all though unless going master.
Yep, unless they made meditate work the way it does now (3X force regen) but useable AS you fight. Otherwise, there'd be no use for it (what use for one third of the ten second sit?).
Galon_Brightnight
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:36 am
#10
i don't think it should regen quite that fast while sitting, but i think it should go about half as fast as mind does sitting, while meditating
mauvros
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:37 am
#11
Iawalein wrote:
Jive17 wrote:
I agree as well. This would make not many ppl take the enh xxx4 tree at all though unless going master.
Yep, unless they made meditate work the way it does now (3X force regen) but useable AS you fight. Otherwise, there'd be no use for it (what use for one third of the ten second sit?).
They should make it as useful as sitting with the mind bar.
Right now meditate is useless. Channel is also not so hot, From Zero force I can channel to full in 5 minutes but have only 800 health. 1 hit deadsky.
Iawalein
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:38 am
#12
KRAKEN666 wrote:
i dont ever remember in any jedi movie of the force just running out on a character...why in the world does soe have to impliment a force bar in the first place. it goes against every star wars movie. yes, the force gets greater the more you increase your templates but for the force to be drained away is saying that there is a finite amount of the force allocated to each jedi and then... no moresoup for you!...
Well, it DID sort of run out for Mace and Darth Sideous in the confrontation...
But I also agree. If the force bar is meant to be a "long term limit" as the Devs stated, it should LAST long term. I can't kill a single CL 82 elite mob and have more than about 60% force remaining unless I WANT to take all day nipping it to death with the basic saber hit OR use a pike.
I just finished the "Rescue Rroot" quest. I had to kill three Blackscale CL 80 elite mobs. I managed it, with a lot of aura and infusion plus judicious use of armor break, but I ended up with 9% force remaining. Mind you, this is with using channel (something that I can ONLY do because the AI is dumb enough to not know to go for the kill with my reduced health, action and mind). As a MBH, I could leisurely take each one in turn, without having to manage action so carefully ("elite" templates all have access to low SAC/high damage weapons now).
mauvros
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:42 am
#13
Iawalein wrote:
KRAKEN666 wrote:
i dont ever remember in any jedi movie of the force just running out on a character...why in the world does soe have to impliment a force bar in the first place. it goes against every star wars movie. yes, the force gets greater the more you increase your templates but for the force to be drained away is saying that there is a finite amount of the force allocated to each jedi and then... no moresoup for you!...
Well, it DID sort of run out for Mace and Darth Sideous in the confrontation...
But I also agree. If the force bar is meant to be a "long term limit" as the Devs stated, it should LAST long term. I can't kill a single CL 82 elite mob and have more than about 60% force remaining unless I WANT to take all day nipping it to death with the basic saber hit OR use a pike.
I just finished the "Rescue Rroot" quest. I had to kill three Blackscale CL 80 elite mobs. I managed it, with a lot of aura and infusion plus judicious use of armor break, but I ended up with 9% force remaining. Mind you, this is with using channel (something that I can ONLY do because the AI is dumb enough to not know to go for the kill with my reduced health, action and mind). As a MBH, I could leisurely take each one in turn, without having to manage action so carefully ("elite" templates all have access to low SAC/high damage weapons now).
The force bar is a speed limit for Jedi. It was implimented to give us downtime.
and your right, with my elite template I can grind all day without EVER having to sit for 10 minutes waiting for my mind bar to regen.
Along with those low SAC weapons they can also add PUPS with 500 uses to lower it EVEN MORE.
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