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Thread: New Testing Involving Jedi Accuracy CAs

Metalsaber
Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:41 pm
#1

This test involves a Jedi and a Regular Template Player to see if Jedi Accuracy CAs work or not (or make a difference in accuracy).
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Templates

Jedi Template Includes:
MLS/Master Def
2000 Healer
3000 Enhancer

Regular Template Player Includes:
TKM
Master Swords
4000 Doc

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Character Stats:

Jedi Stats:

Base Offense no Mods (used in test 1 and 2)
-Speed 120
-Accuracy 227
Base Defense no Mods
-Melee 255
-Ranged 235

Modified Base Offense w/ +20 Dbl Bld Ac (used in test 3 and 4)
-Speed 120
-Accuracy 247
Modified Base Defense
-Melee 269
-Ranged 249

Regular Template Stats (only including def since i wasnt attacking back)

Base Defense no Mods
-Melee 227
-Ranged 198
Modified Base Defense
-Melee 252
-Ranged 223

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Tests Included 100 Saber Hits in 4 Categories

4 Categories

1. Regular Template No COB (Center of Being), Jedi with no Accuracy Modifier CAs
2. Regular Template with COB, Jedi with no Accuracy Modifier CAs
3. Regular Template No COB, Jedi WITH Accuracy Modifier CAs
4. Regular Template with COB, Jedi WITH Accuracy Modifier CAs
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Posted the Results as following:



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00over0
Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:45 pm
#2

You could just put "hits for 349" and the hit-to-miss ratio--it's a bit easier on the eyes



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Metalsaber
Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:45 pm
#3

Test 3: Jedi with +20 Accuracy CA, Regular Prof with NO COB

[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 349 pts

Results: 8 Misses
92 Hits

Message Edited by Metalsaber on 07-12-2005 02:46 PM



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Metalsaber
Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:47 pm
#4

Test 4 Includes: Jedi with +20 Accuracy CA. Regular Prof with COB

[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken misses
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts
[Combat] Raken hits Scorpious 338 pts

Results: 28 Misses
72 Hits



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Metalsaber
Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:49 pm
#5



00over0 wrote:
You could just put "hits for 349" and the hit-to-miss ratio--it's a bit easier on the eyes



i would have but some people wanted the numbers...well thats what they get.



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00over0
Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:49 pm
#6

Thanks loads for doing these tests!


Most interesting to me is seeing that the damage is the same--higher accuracy is supposed to translate into more damage, and yet I see that the damage was the same on the COB-less test with and without the +20 accuracy change.


Obviously, though, getting more hits is always good.


Thanks again!





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Tal'Ira (Former Creature Handler, Now SOE Slave)

Dear SOE Developers, can I have some of what your smoking??
RebelArchAngel
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:00 pm
#7

sa-weet, so now we know it does make a difference, good thing not everyone has CoB, so dam CoB users... o right, i am one



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Ilucide
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:00 pm
#8

Which looks just about perfect.

227 accuracy -> 247 accuracy = .91% accuracy increase
85 hits -> 92 hits = .92% accuracy increase
65 hits -> 72 hits = .90% accuracy increase

I'm sure increasing sample size would only work to help zero the differences out.



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westcoastavenger
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:03 pm
#9






00over0 wrote:

Thanks loads for doing these tests!


Most interesting to me is seeing that the damage is the same--higher accuracy is supposed to translate into more damage, and yet I see that the damage was the same on the COB-less test with and without the +20 accuracy change.


Obviously, though, getting more hits is always good.


Thanks again!








I'm not sure why that is either. In other tests I've done I've noted a 1pt dmg increase per 10 pts of accuracy mod you have. Granted it depends on the target's overall defense and your overall accuracy, but the theory held up in the COB tests but appeared to not function the same in the COB-less tests.


Accuracy does allow you to hit higher into your max damage range but not by enough to warrant obtaining it for that reason alone. The overall increase in accuracy, as you can see, is very desirable.


Well, now you all have your 100 hit samples and can take it for what it's worth. I'm not doing 500 or 1000 hit tests unless someone is going to start cutting me checks. Enjoy and hope this helps somebody with their build and once again for the would-be flamers, we're just trying to help.






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Metalsaber
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:05 pm
#10

I agree that its good that not all templates include COB.

I would imagine though that this would be very similar to Master Defender using Aura (similar to cob).



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KeeferKman
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:09 pm
#11

Thanks again, I appreciate your frustration with ungrateful folks. I know you added this amount of detail to make a point...(lol)


Bottom line, you have indeed proved your initial statement which is that accuracy tapes are worth the money !!!!!


I wonder about speed tapes.


My impression is that they also have an effect, if I could just find one of them bad boys...


I am going to test also...I have a +25 general melee accuracy tape...you have spiked my curiousity







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Metalsaber
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:19 pm
#12



KeeferKman wrote:

Thanks again, I appreciate your frustration with ungrateful folks. I know you added this amount of detail to make a point...(lol)

Bottom line, you have indeed proved your initial statement which is that accuracy tapes are worth the money !!!!!

I wonder about speed tapes.

My impression is that they also have an effect, if I could just find one of them bad boys...

I am going to test also...I have a +25 general melee accuracy tape...you have spiked my curiousity




well in terms of spd, i would recommend a test be done with a MLS, and non MLS. That way we could see who benefits the most from it. The +25 general melee accuracy is a sweet find.



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whippet
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:48 pm
#13

Detail to me how to test the benefit of speed tapes and i'll do it.


I've got +25 general melee speed and +15 double bladed speed atm, coupled with +25 double blades acc.


The only benefit i see from the extra +40 speed, is that my modified speed went down by 0.06, from 1.24 to 1.18


As far a si can tell they make no noticable difference to me, if i wasn't MLS, then maybe they'd be much more useful, but to me they seem pointless.


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