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VulcanLionheart wrote:

Hi.I am almost finished my tank temp.Now I am MLS/def 3343/heal 3xxx/enhance xxx2 and will be master def with 0 points left in 3 days.But without root and force speed how canI be succesful against a bh?What are your suggestions agains kiting bhs and my saber is crap too.Sac is 120 fc33 dps 427.

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With that saber, don't play your Jedi untill you get better pearls.

The saber definitely needs an improvement, especially the FC/SAC. You'll be long out of force and action before you can inflict any real damage. Talk to your local chef and get some burstrun food to keep up with a kiting BH. Also make sure you get some ruby bliel and 1250 stims. But again, your saber will be your major stumbling block at this stage

Your template is an "instrument", the Artist are YOU.

You will not paint like DaVinci only cause you use the same colors...

Will say, i saw Jedi with the FOTM PvP template (MLS/MDef/Heal3/Enh0002) laying down fast, others keeping up a good fight for 30 minutes.

The attitude "i cant accept lower damage for the price of SAC" is your dead, and i will tell you why:

Every good BH is not trying to "kill" you, he will wait till YOU KILL YOURSELF.

He will sit you out, he lets you run dry - i am talking about POOLS.

You have limited pools, force the worst, then action, cuz even standardsaberhit is eating action (i know...but the skill description is WRONG, it WILL need more action then your recharge is), esp. with a 120 SAC saber.

So when u need to recharge action, you really need to STOP attacking. And STOP of attacks means: Your foe has all time to recharge his pools in peace...while his standard rangedshot is still doing 200-300ish damage on you per shot.

A good BH knows exactly, that you can heal till judgementday, with infusion, stims and forceheal, where "judgementday" is "pools dry".

So no point in spamming hits like crazy on you, the good BHs will play it smart, making you DRAINING your pools.

a: Mind
Keep the Jedi under "cheap" (sac for the BH) damage constantly, force him to heal constantly, wait for the blue bar vanishing...

b:
BH heals himself "cheap" (Stims), use high res. energy armor, some good food etc. and make YOU drain action.


What do you need to heal ?
Action, mind and force (all 3...uhm, can i have the devs in my office quick plz...*cough*)

Whenever one pool is down, you are dead. PERIOD

How long do you think you need to drain your action with a 120 SAC saber ?

And in your case, it comes even worser:
You need to spam A LOT of hits with that saber to tickle a good-gear BH, so you drain your action even FASTER.

Believe it or not, but the advise above might be the best:
Stop playing this Jedi with a saber like this, at least try to avoid to hit the terms and stay away from PvP action (besides smacking your guildchef for burning the cake..)

Your party starts with a saber 600ish. This could be 582 or 637, but not middle 400....

It sounds bad, but im sorry, complains are going this way
--------> SOE DEVELOPER CHAMBER OF PAIN


It is both: The good gear AND the good player. Both together makes you a badars...
One of it lacking and you are average.

A good player with a crappy saber wont move much, a 720+ saber with the bad player wont move much.

Be sure a "serious" BH has the best gear...a nice krayt/gorax enhanced wep from the friendly 12pt. WS, a 8K+ energy armorsuite, 100% re-use food with adjusted fills, speed/accuracy tapes, etc etc etc.

You need such a setup too, or you rather go POWER ( no pearls needed here).


Sounds demoralizing ?
Yep...i know. I am very sorry mate, tho i have a pre-Cu saber with 4 X 120/-9, i feel VERY VERY sorry and sad for all the post-CU Jedi, paying the same fee but get ars...from SoE that it is no fun anymore. /Comfort

Oh..btw, we hunt much Krayts, almost every day.

A good "session" serves us bout 15 perls/session.

You can say a good tune is like 1:10, so you need 40 pearls to get some good ones tuned.

If i were you:
1. Ask around you will lend you a 12pt. suite
2. Put all points in effenciency till SAC is down to 100
3. If you have points left, put them into damage (or speed till a better BASED speed helps you, now where the cooldowntimers are bugged)

Expect a saber like this:
4th gen
250ish damage
speed ??
SAC 98-102
48 FC


No lets see pearls:
98 damage, -3 to -7 FC

Lets play and say:
1 X 89/-4
1 X 97/-6
1 X 93/-2
1 X 92/-7

89+97+93+92= 371 + 250saber=621 damage
-4 -6 -2 -7 = 19
48-19 = 29 FC (it WILL work...)
SAC 100


Well bud..this is a saber which is at least "playable".

621 with AB/KD can do descent damage, 100 SAC is ok (98 is the best on the servers i think, except bugged 0SAC).

Lets see FC:
Lets take a 50 FC move with a 1,5 modifier:
Saber 20 FC = 105 Force per move

Your saber now with 29 FC: 118,5 FC

So 13 FC more.
So you need to spam almost 40 moves to eat 500 more forcepoints. Is that the big deal ?
I say, the action is the big deal !
Force, you can help with a crystal (if really needed), action you cant (you take all food anyway).

I just can say:
Dont bother TO much with regen food, since its either broken or just marginal in effect, rather go with defense/accuracy food and synthsteak 44%.

A miss is the most hurting thing happening. A 50% missrate means: DOUBLE!! all your action and forcecost to archieve the same result like a 100% hit rate !
And nothing more worse then a powerhit missing while the BH is KDed. That is simply a wasted 1-1.4K hit (depending on your saber, armor of BH etc) - OUCH !

Head out and buy some Ruby bliel (for heal), crispik, pikatta pie, deutorium, cor ale etc etc etc.
This is the food you want - And Booster Blue: Thats the only regen food i take (spice).

Wish you all the best pal...

Message Edited by Swg-Addict on 09-26-2005 03:29 PM

but, you forgot about the bh/cm who can drain your mind even if you dont fight. until we get lower costs all around we are pretty much screwed. bh know, just keep waiting till force is gone, and you are a cl level one again. now that ranger skills can be used against jedi, bh will use up what little skill points on that line now. bh need to be more combat orientated or allow jedi to pick up other lines. even something as simple as getting the village skill points back would make a big difference. they have eliminated dabbler jedi, now if they would just eliminate dabbler bh.

If you have a respec go MENH/Mpowers. Menh has stasis for the win and powers will easily outsamage any saber you are putting together. Even with the cloak snare you still will have stasis and FR3 for an easy gettaway.

I'd also like to praise swg-addicts responce. That is exactly what this forum needs to see more often.

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Ioccco wrote:

Try going 2000 enhancer instead of 0002 with that temp, you won't have channel but at least you'll have FR1 and root. With a double master you should have enough force to last you awhile.

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/agree

Channel bites the big one. Force Speed however...is actually useful.