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Thread: Why do we have a force bar?

RoundWallKing
Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:50 pm
#1

Seriously, why do we have a force bar? Its stupid that I can have 20 minute fights with other PvPers (not talking about BH's) and end up dying simply because I run out of force. Yet they can continue to go toe to toe with other jedi cause all they have is their mind and action to worry about. Watch out for master Doc /swordsman , they have pretty much the same specials that a MLS jedi has and can get uber AB sliced armor but are not limited by a force bar. Watch out for their power hammers too cause a good one will easily out damage a post CU saber. Granted it will take them around 20-30 mil on my server to be able to hang but I have much more than that invested in my Jedi and still cant compete with these guys. My Template is MLS/0044 DEF/4000 healer/and 3/4/0/2 enh. I have no problem taking out any other profession especially ranged I can drop like flys. Im not calling a nerf on anyone but having a forcebar is not fair in this new system.



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SqUiShEe08
Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:53 pm
#2

I think we should still have a force bar but let it regen a whole lot faster.



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MasterGettingOnTerms
Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:55 pm
#3






SqUiShEe08 wrote:
I think we should still have a force bar but let it regen a whole lot faster.






yeah definately



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Nastypope
Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:59 pm
#4


Well at first it was a limit on Jedi power. Of course this was when Jedi could mow through a crowd by themselves. They have taken that ability away but have not removed that check on us. Its some the Devs really should review wonder if they even care though.

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Uninformed
Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:59 pm
#5

We have a force bar to further reduce our effectiveness in combat.


Any other answer is wrong. LOL





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DeadlyTedly
Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:02 pm
#6

If I didn't have a force power bar, I would feel even less like a Jedi

It provides a check and a balance to jedi powers not viable by just an action/mind bar.

E.g. what the above poster said

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TrogdorrtheBurninator
Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:03 pm
#7

try experimenting with efficiency. instead of force cost.... your damage doesn't matter as much as force. just an FYI. most damage comes from crystals/pearls. which everyones is crap right now anyway, so why bother with damage... just be more efficient instead of fighting the pointless damage battle



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lilceaser
Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:04 pm
#8


i think the old system was better...where everything just came out of the force bar..kind of seperated us from the rest of the professions.....but with the CU i can see why they added action and mind costs to stuff.....i agree though force regen should be higher or they should lower the force costs



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KingoftheGrind
Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:05 pm
#9


I think force is fine the way it is , although i think meditate and channel should regen force a little faster.


Bottom line for you though is just cause you lost in a pvp match doesnt mean jedi should have to be revamped. Jedi are not supposed to win every battle. Comparing your wins to losses you should have way more wins , because not every swordsman/doc , CM/BH , etc can beat a full-temp jedi. it takes a good pvp'r and perhaps the guy who mopped the floor with you was a good pvp'r ?


Think about it , other professions have to have a chance in beating a a jedi or there would be no reason not to be anything other than jedi. Someone who prefers a vibro lance or PH over a lightsaber should be able to weild their weapon with great ability just as a jedi with their saber.


Maybe he was a good pvp'r, maybe he had uber modes, maybe you just had a bad bout with him , whatver the reason , just cause you lost doesnt mean jedi are weak, nor does it mean we need any more changing at this point. --Jakatta


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Dontblink
Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:20 pm
#10

I think the force bar is needed, but I do believe its regen rate should be much faster - I would venture to say as fast as a non jedi's mind regenerates. And I would also want to see it regenerate at faster rate when not in combat. Even at Master Enhancer, it seems to be a burden. Sure you can Meditate and Channel your force, but at the expense of yourHeath bar goingdown to 800 at the same time, have BH come and land a critical hit right in between your eyes.


Kinda ironic the one thing that would make a Jedi powerful (force) is the same thing that makes us Weak



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SqUiShEe08
Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:25 pm
#11






KingoftheGrind wrote:


I think force is fine the way it is , although i think meditate and channel should regen force a little faster.


Bottom line for you though is just cause you lost in a pvp match doesnt mean jedi should have to be revamped. Jedi are not supposed to win every battle. Comparing your wins to losses you should have way more wins , because not every swordsman/doc , CM/BH , etc can beat a full-temp jedi. it takes a good pvp'r and perhaps the guy who mopped the floor with you was a good pvp'r ?


Think about it , other professions have to have a chance in beating a a jedi or there would be no reason not to be anything other than jedi. Someone who prefers a vibro lance or PH over a lightsaber should be able to weild their weapon with great ability just as a jedi with their saber.


Maybe he was a good pvp'r, maybe he had uber modes, maybe you just had a bad bout with him , whatver the reason , just cause you lost doesnt mean jedi are weak, nor does it mean we need any more changing at this point. --Jakatta


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Ok let me just say this I've had my jedi for a long time I was about a box away from full template pre-cu. I had nearly perfect pearls and I like to pvp. So a couple weeks ago I finally grind my alt. Get 75% AB slice in 6400 resist RIS. Template was master fencer, tka 0400, doc 4004, swords 0034. I pvp'd a pre-cu jedi who was a knight already better saber than mine, whooped him and I hadnt fought a single person yet. It doesnt take an experienced person to beat you just a rich person.



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Pday
Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:37 pm
#12






SqUiShEe08 wrote:





KingoftheGrind wrote:


I think force is fine the way it is , although i think meditate and channel should regen force a little faster.


Bottom line for you though is just cause you lost in a pvp match doesnt mean jedi should have to be revamped. Jedi are not supposed to win every battle. Comparing your wins to losses you should have way more wins , because not every swordsman/doc , CM/BH , etc can beat a full-temp jedi. it takes a good pvp'r and perhaps the guy who mopped the floor with you was a good pvp'r ?


Think about it , other professions have to have a chance in beating a a jedi or there would be no reason not to be anything other than jedi. Someone who prefers a vibro lance or PH over a lightsaber should be able to weild their weapon with great ability just as a jedi with their saber.


Maybe he was a good pvp'r, maybe he had uber modes, maybe you just had a bad bout with him , whatver the reason , just cause you lost doesnt mean jedi are weak, nor does it mean we need any more changing at this point. --Jakatta


12 - 1 - 1 Vs BH







Ok let me just say this I've had my jedi for a long time I was about a box away from full template pre-cu. I had nearly perfect pearls and I like to pvp. So a couple weeks ago I finally grind my alt. Get 75% AB slice in 6400 resist RIS. Template was master fencer, tka 0400, doc 4004, swords 0034. I pvp'd a pre-cu jedi who was a knight already better saber than mine, whooped him and I hadnt fought a single person yet. It doesnt take an experienced person to beat you just a rich person.





i did the same thing, m.swords/3-0-0-4 doc + some misc stacking and i was tanking full template pre cu saber wielding rank 4 before fight club jedi, i even tanked 3 earlier at once, among others a guy with a perfect saber and tanked them for 2 - 3 minutes.



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c0kes
Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:39 pm
#13






KingoftheGrind wrote:


I think force is fine the way it is , although i think meditate and channel should regen force a little faster.


Bottom line for you though is just cause you lost in a pvp match doesnt mean jedi should have to be revamped. Jedi are not supposed to win every battle. Comparing your wins to losses you should have way more wins , because not every swordsman/doc , CM/BH , etc can beat a full-temp jedi. it takes a good pvp'r and perhaps the guy who mopped the floor with you was a good pvp'r ?


Think about it , other professions have to have a chance in beating a a jedi or there would be no reason not to be anything other than jedi. Someone who prefers a vibro lance or PH over a lightsaber should be able to weild their weapon with great ability just as a jedi with their saber.


Maybe he was a good pvp'r, maybe he had uber modes, maybe you just had a bad bout with him , whatver the reason , just cause you lost doesnt mean jedi are weak, nor does it mean we need any more changing at this point. --Jakatta


12 - 1 - 1 Vs BH






But the force bar problem applies to PvE as well, you can grind, but the Jedi is the only one to say "Hold on, gotta channel guys". I think its not the fact that you can or not win everybattle, but more like the force bar is a handicap for Jedi right now. With the correct stacking of foods and a low SAC weapon, any non-jedi combat template can fight with no restrictions at all, while Jedi have to sit and channel/meditate for a while.



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