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Thread: DEVS Learn from your pub 22 mistake DON'T PUSH CLOAK NERF LIVE!

emovamalla
Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:56 pm
#1



Quoted from Pub 22 Apology:






Dear Star Wars Galaxies Players,

On behalf of the entire LucasArts and SOE SWG team, we wanted to take this opportunity to apologize for a recent change we made regarding group experience (XP) rates. With Publish 22, we attempted to fix an unintended game play mechanic that we introduced with the Combat Upgrade earlier this year. Specifically, we wanted to correct a large divergence between the rate at which experience (XP) could be earned in a solo setting versus a group setting. After this change hit live, we were presented with a mountain of feedback describing how this change had a major negative impact on your enjoyment of the game. We want to let you know that we hear you and we value your feedback. You were right: we made a mistake on this one and we reversed out the change because of that feedback. We continue to learn from experience and pledge to improve our process for bringing you timely updates to Star Wars Galaxies.

Thank you for your understanding and we look forward to seeing you in the game!

Sincerely,

Julio Torres
Producer, Star Wars Galaxies
LucasArts

Todd Fiala
Director of Development, Austin Studio
Sony Online Entertainment





Please Devs, lets not rehash this style incident. We can catch thisissue BEFORE it goes live this time. This proposedyet untested cloak nerf as it has been describedWILL cause a mountain of negative feedback and WILL cause a major negative impact onMY enjoyment of the game as well as the enjoyment of ANYONE who has cloak.


If you value the feedback of myself and every other person against this nerf, then I beg of you not to let this cloak nerf go live.


Please listen to your valued customer here:


1. If there is a problem with cloak in GCW bases then implement in a line of code where it says: "Cannot Perform That Action While Under Cover". This is coded already for using mounts.


2. If there is a problem with cloak in looting dungeons then impliment in a line of codewhere it says: "Cannot Perform That Action While Under Cover". This is coded already for using mounts.


3. If there is a problem with cloak in PvP then please place (1) Waaaaaaaaambulance in that persons inventory. Powers has NO ADVANTAGE in Damage, Speed, Mitigation, or Efficiency against any other single profession. Powers is so gimped ATM that this is the LAST THING it needs.The only good thing you gave this otherwise ultra-lame discipline was cloak, please don't kill this poor defenseless skill set.


I know this is falling on deaf ears and that no one with any power will respond. I, and MANY other paying customers, have voiced out our "valued feedback". Please look at it carefully and make the right choice.


On one hand youstand to LOSE valued customers @ $15 a pop, while further unbalancing the combat "upgrade". All this just from a silly nerf that didnt need to happen.


On the other hand you can continue to run a shady MMO of which no one would play if the Star Wars name was not attached to it. You can continue to run me through the mud of day to day boredom while stringing the proverbial carrot (FRS) in front of the donkey (everyone waiting for FRS). If this cloak nerf stays at bay, I'll probablyput in apreorder for CONTENT (that should be free) and continue my 2 SWG subscriptions.


As a parting shot, PLEASE STOP TRYING TO BALANCE JEDI INTO NORMAL PROFESSIONS!!! PLEASE STOP TRYING WITH ALL YOUR RESOURCES TO MAKE THE GAME MORE BALANCED AND PLEASE FOCUS ON MAKING THE GAME FUN. PLEASE DON'T BAN ME FOR USING THE "F" WORD, I KNOW THE WORD FUN IS A MISUNDERSTOOD CONCEPT AND IS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT FROWNED UPON BY THE DEVS.


Now, everyone else, go ahead and tell me how irrelevant I am, how much I suck, tell me that I need to learn how to play, and how imperfect my spelling and grammar is.

Message Edited by emovamalla on 09-18-2005 02:00 AM



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Liani
Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:29 pm
#2

i think experience nerfs for every combat profession and modifying one special of one tree of Jedi are two different things.


prettysure the game is gonna come crashing down over this like the XP thing.


besides, some Jedi think cloak is over powered. others think that at least, it should be a master level skill.


i do agree that they are trying to balance Jedi with other professions...it is a problem they created and are hard pressed to solve.






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StrayS8
Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:59 pm
#3

im am a pvping jedi on ahazi and we getcloaker/ mehn guys that uncloak and statis someone then recloak and thats all they do while attacking someone else ...which is 1 reason for statis but using it together just to make pplstop pvping so u can laugh and run away and get doing that every min just to hold someone there so your gank squad/bhs even if u are pvping in the gcw a mehn/0-4-0-0 can keep u in the same spot and not have to take a bit of damage withsup/statis then run and cloak medit and repeat...should and needs to be fixed
p897t98
Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:57 am
#4

Im sorry, but cloak as it is, is absoluely rediculous, it needs fixing.




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Ewotane
Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:05 am
#5

when is the nerf?



Ewotane Caeto


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u should to


i support not buying another Sony product for the rest of my entire life.


u should to


Yoiaholic1
Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:38 am
#6

When my non-jedi friends threaten to quit it makes me sad, when a jedi threatens to quit I laugh and so should SOE. You will not quit you will try to sell your account. And that is the problem. The jedi population NEVER decreases even as people leave the game.


Cloak needs a balance. Its not a nerf. Please understand that as AI was considered an I win button before cloak is now.



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Turd_Ferguson523
Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:41 am
#7

lol, the fact that the OP compared this to that makes me laugh really hard. If people quit this game because of this, good riddance.



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magneto2
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:10 am
#8

all u flaming this thread r obviously not master powers....its the most gimped jedi proff, other thanhealer....cloak is the only thing that lets me live with my lack of defenses....i cloak, take my food and get ready, uncloak and kick some $ss....BH can already trhow poisons and fire on us while cloaked, if we cant heal while cloaked, we have no chance....its just that, if u dont have the skill, u want it nerfed....what next, cry nerf on stasis? if your jealous of a skill, go grind it, if not, try and be understanding of why peeps who use it all the time want it...not everyone uses it to exploit....and no, cloak is not a offensive ability....rofl

Message Edited by magneto2 on 09-18-2005 05:11 AM




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magneto2
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:13 am
#9

and BTW, why force everone into MLS or Mdef temps? what a boring game this is becoming




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cloudwalker1
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:34 am
#10






Yoiaholic1 wrote:

When my non-jedi friends threaten to quit it makes me sad, when a jedi threatens to quit I laugh and so should SOE. You will not quit you will try to sell your account. And that is the problem. The jedi population NEVER decreases even as people leave the game.


Cloak needs a balance. Its not a nerf. Please understand that as AI was considered an I win button before cloak is now.




you have no idea what you are on about how is me standing there unable to attack because i cloaked a 'I win' button. Oh wait its not. AI allowed you to attack and carry on damaging opponents






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Yoiaholic1
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:38 am
#11

Its an I win button because if you don't want to lose you don't have to. People run from me to cloak when they can't kill me. If they have fr2 or 3 I can't stop them. Don't be sonaive. How many times have you seen a cloaked jedi healing in pvp? It BS period and why the hate system exists in PVE.



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Ryoma_Sakamoto
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:41 am
#12






Liani wrote:

i think experience nerfs for every combat profession and modifying one special of one tree of Jedi are two different things.


prettysure the game is gonna come crashing down over this like the XP thing.


besides, some Jedi think cloak is over powered. others think that at least, it should be a master level skill.


i do agree that they are trying to balance Jedi with other professions...it is a problem they created and are hard pressed to solve.








/agree QFE!!



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Ikict
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:52 am
#13

First they came for the force healer, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a force healer;
Then they came for the enhancers, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a enhancer;
Then they came for the wielders, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a wielder;
Then they came for the lightsaber users, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a lightsabers user;

Then they came for the defenders, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a defender;
Then they came for jedi--
and there was no one left to speak out for the jedi.


This fits in here, if other jedi want nerfs to the jedi professions they dont have then SOE will carry on with the nerfs untill eventually they will axe or destroy all the jedi professions
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