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Thread: MLS/ME/D4040 Is it really viable?
I hate to brake this to you and i know you did not want this answer but if you are going to pvp you are going to have to heal. Even with stims and ruby. Also as part of a team the ability to heal others is important.
Now here is why:
The added meele defense makes you take a bit less damage and the healing makes you heal damage back. Now regardless of your template you have a limited health bar.
This means that eventhough you are taking a bit less damage from the added defenses you now have added another limit which is your filling from ruby and the timer on stims. And remember your oppenent can both heal and use stims.
If you really want to test this find a jedi that has the defense skills you are looking for. This template should be common enough mls/heal 4000/enhance 3402/def 4040
Have him duel you or another mls without using heal and see the difference. Offcourse for the final evaluation you have to factor in saber and the other enhancer abilities.
Happy testing
paolo_ikro wrote:
I don't come here to ask about templates very often, but I am always interested in what the others of us are choosing. Anyway, recently I have been thinking about templates a lot, and I've tried a lot, mostly during our respec period, and a couple I have ground out since. More recently I have begin thinking that Force Heal, uses a lot of mind and if you have Force Infusion running, it sucks mind pretty quickly too. So here's my dilemma, I want a double mastery, I know I don't need one, but I like the added force pool and the feeling of being a double master, especially a 2.5 Mastery. I love the Enhancer tree, and I wouldn't want to give up MLS either. So that leaves me with the option of using 48 points somewhere else.
There is another thread in the forums where someone has asked about MLS/MD/E4004. Having tried this, I wasn't too keen on it, however one poster suggested MLS/ME/D4040, which I hadn't previously thought of. Ok so I know that it will be hard to live without healer, but currently it is also hard to live without defence, being MLS/ME/H4040 (Force Armor is ok, but not the be all and end all). I find that in long drawn out fights I am using Stasis to slow down the fight, sit down and regen my HAM...cheeky I know but it works. My thoughts are that if Stasis does get nerfed, it may mean that my existing template will be harder to play.
One thing to bear in mind is that currently my Saber is 710 max dmg, SAC 96, FC 14, so that should help in trying to work out if this will work.
So the question is this...could MLS/ME/D4040 actually work? I know one poster has says that his colleague has a lot of success with it, but I am after some more constructive feedback.
Please don't post things like 'No Healer = Dead Jedi' I've heard it before, I am after sensible thoughts here. Any conctructive thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
With the lack of defences you really do need the 1500 force heals for enhancer. I have the same template and Stasis + stims is a useful way of healing. One thing to remember is that at 4040 Defender your still vunerable to MBH and ranged combantants because without the ranged def to back up Force Aura is almost useless.
You will be hit for full damage using force aura vs ranged players. I know that from having 4040 defender which is why I dropped for pure enhancer. Anyone who says you won't be for 1400 with Force Aura is lying
Dontblink wrote:
Yeah CURB means you better be able to Heal. They shouldnt have called it combat upgrade Revamp balance, they should have called it HEAL REVAMP. My temp is MLS/ME/ Healer 4040 and that temp is viable, but sometimes I envy my MLS/MD counter parts.
Jediknight2k1 wrote:
paolo_ikro wrote:
I don't come here to ask about templates very often, but I am always interested in what the others of us are choosing. Anyway, recently I have been thinking about templates a lot, and I've tried a lot, mostly during our respec period, and a couple I have ground out since. More recently I have begin thinking that Force Heal, uses a lot of mind and if you have Force Infusion running, it sucks mind pretty quickly too. So here's my dilemma, I want a double mastery, I know I don't need one, but I like the added force pool and the feeling of being a double master, especially a 2.5 Mastery. I love the Enhancer tree, and I wouldn't want to give up MLS either. So that leaves me with the option of using 48 points somewhere else.
There is another thread in the forums where someone has asked about MLS/MD/E4004. Having tried this, I wasn't too keen on it, however one poster suggested MLS/ME/D4040, which I hadn't previously thought of. Ok so I know that it will be hard to live without healer, but currently it is also hard to live without defence, being MLS/ME/H4040 (Force Armor is ok, but not the be all and end all). I find that in long drawn out fights I am using Stasis to slow down the fight, sit down and regen my HAM...cheeky I know but it works. My thoughts are that if Stasis does get nerfed, it may mean that my existing template will be harder to play.
One thing to bear in mind is that currently my Saber is 710 max dmg, SAC 96, FC 14, so that should help in trying to work out if this will work.
So the question is this...could MLS/ME/D4040 actually work? I know one poster has says that his colleague has a lot of success with it, but I am after some more constructive feedback.
Please don't post things like 'No Healer = Dead Jedi' I've heard it before, I am after sensible thoughts here. Any conctructive thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
With the lack of defences you really do need the 1500 force heals for enhancer. I have the same template and Stasis + stims is a useful way of healing. One thing to remember is that at 4040 Defender your still vunerable to MBH and ranged combantants because without the ranged def to back up Force Aura is almost useless.
You will be hit for full damage using force aura vs ranged players. I know that from having 4040 defender which is why I dropped for pure enhancer. Anyone who says you won't be for 1400 with Force Aura is lying
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Dontblink wrote:
Yeah CURB means you better be able to Heal. They shouldnt have called it combat upgrade Revamp balance, they should have called it HEAL REVAMP. My temp is MLS/ME/ Healer 4040 and that temp is viable, but sometimes I envy my MLS/MD counter parts.
Hmm not bad. I think I could live with 1000 heals vs 1500 per shot if it meant that I could have AURA.. I really dont use force sap and shock that much anyway.I believe at novice defender you get some nice perks to boot.
Dontblink wrote:
Dontblink wrote:
Yeah CURB means you better be able to Heal. They shouldnt have called it combat upgrade Revamp balance, they should have called it HEAL REVAMP. My temp is MLS/ME/ Healer 4040 and that temp is viable, but sometimes I envy my MLS/MD counter parts.
i went Mls / ME / Healer 3000 / def 0020 so i could be cool and run aura with all my friend
Hmm not bad. I think I could live with 1000 heals vs 1500 per shot if it meant that I could have AURA.. I really dont use force sap and shock that much anyway.I believe at novice defender you get some nice perks to boot.
Innate Jedi Armor +10
Jedi State Defense +15
Melee Defense +35
Ranged Defense +35
Force Aura w/ +250 ranged/melee defense
Dontblink wrote:
Dontblink wrote:
Yeah CURB means you better be able to Heal. They shouldnt have called it combat upgrade Revamp balance, they should have called it HEAL REVAMP. My temp is MLS/ME/ Healer 4040 and that temp is viable, but sometimes I envy my MLS/MD counter parts.
i went Mls / ME / Healer 3000 / def 0020 so i could be cool and run aura with all my friend
Hmm not bad. I think I could live with 1000 heals vs 1500 per shot if it meant that I could have AURA.. I really dont use force sap and shock that much anyway.I believe at novice defender you get some nice perks to boot.