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Thread: Master Defender question NEED FEEDBACK PLEASE

petergriffon
Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:43 am
#1


So I just finished my temp the other night a got MDF. At 4444 I had aura running and I was getting hit for 74 pts by each picket. When I got trained and was MDF, I was still getting hit for 74 pts with aura running. Master adds +50 melee def and +16 inate jedi armor, so shouldn't I have noticed a reduction in damage? Anyone else experience this or have an answer as to why?

Message Edited by petergriffon on 09-30-2005 12:53 PM




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Maxil
Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:45 am
#2

maybe the first time it was a lvl 80 picket, second time an 82 picket?



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petergriffon
Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:47 am
#3

nope, same lair.


I needed to kill 2 more pickets to get master, so before the group started, I pulled 2 away, killed them, and got trained. Then after I was MDF we all spun the lair and I was getting hit for the same amount as I was at 4444.


I don't get it.




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Hulke
Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:59 am
#4



It has to do with Aura adding 500 def. That much defense has already pushed the pickets dmg to bare minimum. The pickets are already hitting you for their minimum damage and therefore they cant hit for less.


If you take off aura and fight them I think you'll see a damage reduction.

Message Edited by Hulke on 09-30-2005 10:00 AM

Hulke
Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:04 am
#5

And yes I see this as a problem. although it is working as intended. It has to do with their diminishing returns system. Once you put aura on and add that much defense you dont see hardly any gain sometimes nonefor smaller amounts of added def.


Its stupid really. If I have more def I should take less damage, simple as that. It pisses me off to no end that master defenders only upside is AI which was nerfed. Im a master defender now and I really believe that a 4444 with aura running would take exactly the same damage as I would. They need to change how our defense relates dmg or tweak or fix it.


alphawolf100
Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:07 am
#6

Did you have any food in you? maybe Force Armor on?



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Srider_Killarney
Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:08 am
#7

hhmmm delete the mast box and test it again lets see if it is still broke



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petergriffon
Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:08 am
#8

Hmm, I'll definately try it without aura running, but you're right......more defense should = less damage taken. What good is the +50 melee and +16 inate jedi armor at MDF if they don't do anything with aura running...............I mean, what defender fights without aura.




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petergriffon
Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:09 am
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alphawolf100 wrote:

Did you have any food in you? maybe Force Armor on?






Nope, no food and don't have force armor




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trajen2
Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:09 am
#10

the extra melee defense should make little differnce due to +500 from aura (like the other guys said)


seems that the extra innate armor in Master should have a made a difference though





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alphawolf100
Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:10 am
#11

That's wierd.
have you logged out and logged back in since and tested it again?



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Hulke
Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:19 am
#12

Just to clarify here. Lets say a pickets dmg looks like this.


70-180


Min-Max


With Aura running you have675 def. The picket hits you for 72 each time.


You add 25 def from master and have 700 now. The way SOE set it up is that each succesive point provides less benefit than the point before. If you added 2 points of defense what you see is that your 676th point by itself helps you a little more than the 677th.


Now what happens is 2 things.


1. Def is so high that the picket is already hitting you basically for his bare min dmg.


2. Adding 25 points when you already have 675 provides MINIMAL gains and what you are seeing is that its not enough to even reduce the pickets dmg by 1 or 2 of his last points above min dmg.


alphawolf100
Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:33 am
#13

But that doesn't change the fact that the extra 1600 armor should mitigate a bit more



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