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Thread: The ulitmate Answer to BH vs Jedi Please read

abbink
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:27 pm
#1


Do away with it. Period. No rebalancing just scrap the whole thing. The only thing on these forums any more is how jedi are not powerful enough or how they are too powerful, or how bounty hunters have to much of an advantage or not enough advantage, or how players find ways to grief each other. Don't get me wrong, having played both sides mind you, it can be exciting as a BH coming up on your mark ready to make your kill or as a jedi seeing a bh gunning for you, it kind of gets the heart pumping, but it just causes so much friction that the negativety created just out ways the excitement and the fun. I have read hundreds of post on ideas and changes to make it more balanced and fair between the 2 professions but neither side will every be happy. So just like SOE did with city ban and the FRS, get rid of it for a while to figure it out and maybe reimplament something in the future. For now justcompletely and total scrap it and end the strife.

Message Edited by abbink on 09-12-2005 11:38 PM






Too often players and the devs have a mindset that professions should be balanced with 1 on 1 pvp in mind. This mindset is ruining the game. The benchmark for balance should be determined by the role a profession plays in a group setting. As long as the current mindset continues we will never see uniqueness among the professions, nor will we ever see individuality within a given profession. We will never see the SWG universe expanded as the focus will only ever be balance pass after balance pass after balance pass.


Message Edited by abbink on 07-26-200609:32 AM


abbink
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:32 pm
#2


/bump







Too often players and the devs have a mindset that professions should be balanced with 1 on 1 pvp in mind. This mindset is ruining the game. The benchmark for balance should be determined by the role a profession plays in a group setting. As long as the current mindset continues we will never see uniqueness among the professions, nor will we ever see individuality within a given profession. We will never see the SWG universe expanded as the focus will only ever be balance pass after balance pass after balance pass.


Message Edited by abbink on 07-26-200609:32 AM


Torqued
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:41 pm
#3


I don't post very often cause there's not much constructive to respond to....


I watched a jedi and a BH/CM fight it out for 15 minutes the other day. Neither could get the upper hand and gave it up after awhile. It's almost TOO balanced..lol.


But, you are right. If either profession is given an egde, the other complains about it till they start nerfing things. Then when thier own profession gets nerfed and gives the other an edge, its complain time again.


Maybe you are right. Neither will ever be happy till they get an all time "I win" situation. Make npc BH hunt jedi and leave BH with npc marks and call it a day?......








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Nakafeldt
Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:15 am
#4

/Sigh


Another cry Nerf?


/sigh


I kill every BH that comes after me. I have crapy crystals and made full temp less than 3 weeks ago. It adds excitment and a thrill to the game.


Dont like it? Dont play!






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warmaster_670
Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:18 am
#5

if they took it out, even for a while then there would be NO disadvantage to being a jedi, which would mean jedi nerf, or reinstating of pve/pvp exp loss



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Naeho
Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:52 am
#6

BHs hate us cos they have been made to by what they're prof is. Best thing to do is accept this and learn how to fight
them.

The only way u can win is to practise, practise, practise. I spent a couple of hours practising with my pre-jedi temp
TKM/Mbrawler/Mswords against my friend who was a MCM/Mrifles at the time. I know he aint a BH temp wise but I worked
hard until i'd refined my stradegy for winning the fight. Just like how I practise with my guildies in duel atm, And
when i get my full temp ill practise that too death until i can fight and beat every posible combat template posibile.

To know your enemy you. You must first know yourself.

Message Edited by Naeho on 09-13-2005 09:52 AM

Message Edited by Naeho on 09-13-2005 09:54 AM





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Wheeln
Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:16 am
#7

Agreed, Kill the entire BH vs. JEDI BS.


Its not worth anything. The Dev's can't balance it, Its simple math really, but they are incapable of it.


Let BH's hunt NPC marks and completely kill the whole player hunting idea entirely, If a Jedi wishes to PvP, he can go Overt just like anyone else. Take a damn lesson from World of Warcraft. The Dev's managed to copy everything stupid about it, but managed to not copy the only few things good about it.


PvP should be a choice, not anything that is forced upon anyone who has played long enough to have earned a Jedi.





Sincerely,

Wheel'n
Elder Jedi
Now on Lowca since the death of Kauri
abbink
Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:32 am
#8

/bump


good responses so far...even if you dont agree keep them coming








Too often players and the devs have a mindset that professions should be balanced with 1 on 1 pvp in mind. This mindset is ruining the game. The benchmark for balance should be determined by the role a profession plays in a group setting. As long as the current mindset continues we will never see uniqueness among the professions, nor will we ever see individuality within a given profession. We will never see the SWG universe expanded as the focus will only ever be balance pass after balance pass after balance pass.


Message Edited by abbink on 07-26-200609:32 AM


Aglardae
Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:37 am
#9

I agree 100 pct with you


Aglardae

RubicksCube
Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:39 am
#10

You know, it doesn't matter how its balanced, someone is always going to die in a BH vs. Jedi encounter therefore people will always be complaining. There is nothing you will ever be able to do to stop people from complaining. You change one aspect that helps some people, other people will complain becuase it hurt them or it didnt help them.


If they do what you propose and just get rid of it all, then you have otherpeople complaining. You can never and will never please all of the people all of the time no matter what you do. This thread is pointless and gets nothing accomplished.





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iskareot
Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:41 am
#11






abbink wrote:


Do away with it. Period. No rebalancing just scrap the whole thing. The only thing on these forums any more is how jedi are not powerful enough or how they are too powerful, or how bounty hunters have to much of an advantage or not enough advantage, or how players find ways to grief each other. Don't get me wrong, having played both sides mind you, it can be exciting as a BH coming up on your mark ready to make your kill or as a jedi seeing a bh gunning for you, it kind of gets the heart pumping, but it just causes so much friction that the negativety created just out ways the excitement and the fun. I have read hundreds of post on ideas and changes to make it more balanced and fair between the 2 professions but neither side will every be happy. So just like SOE did with city ban and the FRS, get rid of it for a while to figure it out and maybe reimplament something in the future. For now justcompletely and total scrap it and end the strife.

Message Edited by abbink on 09-12-2005 11:38 PM





Yeah, I mean why have the risk in the sytem.. lets just ask for SOE to change this once great profession some more.


I mean sure the BH's are sometimes hard but crap man. I say we just give full templated jedi to all people in the game... make us as weak as a nuna with no risk.


Sounds fun..



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Blacknights
Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:51 am
#12

Sorry all...I love to PVP. I would also have too say scrap it. Overt is not that hard to do really. I believe this would increase PVP and lessen alot of hate amongst players. I would even trade it and have xp loss from PVE and PVP. This game has become all about BH and Jedi and it should not be all about us...sorry. I believe that if this did happen others would start playing the many professions instead of the only two that are in the lime light 90 percent of the time. I have played almost all profs and I know the ropes. There would be no more imbalance really because most things happen because a BH is too strong for the Jedi to handle if their on the terms and the other way around too. This would also relieve some of the tensions when it comes too pearls because you would not be competing with the other high dps weapons unless you were going too PVP. In which case you would try and get the best that you can. Opinions will go both ways im sure. This is just one of many. No flaming intended whatsoever in this post.



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abbink
Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:53 am
#13







RubicksCube wrote:

You know, it doesn't matter how its balanced, someone is always going to die in a BH vs. Jedi encounter therefore people will always be complaining. There is nothing you will ever be able to do to stop people from complaining. You change one aspect that helps some people, other people will complain becuase it hurt them or it didnt help them.


If they do what you propose and just get rid of it all, then you have otherpeople complaining. You can never and will never please all of the people all of the time no matter what you do. This thread is pointless and gets nothing accomplished.







neither does any other post regarding bh vs jedi they are all pointless. The surrest way to fail is to try to please everyone so please no one and be rid of it. That would be the surest way to suceed! No flame intended.Opinions arelike butts we all them and they all stink...lol. I just like to voice mine not because i think i will be heard but just because i like to hear myself...lol

Message Edited by abbink on 09-13-2005 09:57 AM

Message Edited by abbink on 09-13-2005 09:58 AM






Too often players and the devs have a mindset that professions should be balanced with 1 on 1 pvp in mind. This mindset is ruining the game. The benchmark for balance should be determined by the role a profession plays in a group setting. As long as the current mindset continues we will never see uniqueness among the professions, nor will we ever see individuality within a given profession. We will never see the SWG universe expanded as the focus will only ever be balance pass after balance pass after balance pass.


Message Edited by abbink on 07-26-200609:32 AM


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