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Thread: The ulitmate Answer to BH vs Jedi Please read
Wheeln wrote:
Agreed, Kill the entire BH vs. JEDI BS.
Its not worth anything. The Dev's can't balance it, Its simple math really, but they are incapable of it.
Let BH's hunt NPC marks and completely kill the whole player hunting idea entirely, If a Jedi wishes to PvP, he can go Overt just like anyone else. Take a damn lesson from World of Warcraft. The Dev's managed to copy everything stupid about it, but managed to not copy the only few things good about it.
PvP should be a choice, not anything that is forced upon anyone who has played long enough to have earned a Jedi.
abbink wrote:
RubicksCube wrote:
You know, it doesn't matter how its balanced, someone is always going to die in a BH vs. Jedi encounter therefore people will always be complaining. There is nothing you will ever be able to do to stop people from complaining. You change one aspect that helps some people, other people will complain becuase it hurt them or it didnt help them.
If they do what you propose and just get rid of it all, then you have otherpeople complaining. You can never and will never please all of the people all of the time no matter what you do. This thread is pointless and gets nothing accomplished.
neither does any other post regarding bh vs jedi they are all pointless. The surrest way to fail is to try to please everyone so please no one and be rid of it. That would be the surest way to suceed!
well, based on that theory, maybe you should suggest getting rid of the Jedi and BH profession period.
abbink wrote:
RubicksCube wrote:
You know, it doesn't matter how its balanced, someone is always going to die in a BH vs. Jedi encounter therefore people will always be complaining. There is nothing you will ever be able to do to stop people from complaining. You change one aspect that helps some people, other people will complain becuase it hurt them or it didnt help them.
If they do what you propose and just get rid of it all, then you have otherpeople complaining. You can never and will never please all of the people all of the time no matter what you do. This thread is pointless and gets nothing accomplished.
neither does any other post regarding bh vs jedi they are all pointless. The surrest way to fail is to try to please everyone so please no one and be rid of it. That would be the surest way to suceed!
This would also guarantee other things being fixed faster since less to worry about on their end. They would then only have too worry about fixing the game and exploits in the given professions instead of balancing them one way or the other all the time. There really is no true balance. You can be high defense or offensce or healing. This would allow professions too be what they were meant too be with their roles given the group life we have now.
RubicksCube wrote:
abbink wrote:
RubicksCube wrote:
You know, it doesn't matter how its balanced, someone is always going to die in a BH vs. Jedi encounter therefore people will always be complaining. There is nothing you will ever be able to do to stop people from complaining. You change one aspect that helps some people, other people will complain becuase it hurt them or it didnt help them.If they do what you propose and just get rid of it all, then you have otherpeople complaining. You can never and will never please all of the people all of the time no matter what you do. This thread is pointless and gets nothing accomplished.
neither does any other post regarding bh vs jedi they are all pointless. The surrest way to fail is to try to please everyone so please no one and be rid of it. That would be the surest way to suceed!
well, based on that theory, maybe you should suggest getting rid of the Jedi and BH profession period.
That might not be a bad idea all together. Or stop all jedi from grinding thier templates any futher and take away the master box from bounty hunters. and call it good.
KRAKEN666 wrote:
No, scrapping it is the wrong thing to do....how about modifying it just like the GCW? Make it a choice to be on the terminals... Since mbh already have an alternate to us with boss missions we have been replaced already. I like the fight with bh and at least have some fun when they come for me so why not make it like the gcw and volunteer to be a target and for your reward you get extra good pvp points, a loot off the bh, the bounty itself, or a nice random loot? Not everyone is afraid of the bh so with the choice even the grinding padawans will have a choice to get even when they fully template.
Well jedi kind of already have the choice with visibility. The problem is that the rules of visibility are so vague and know one reallyno exactly how it happens. Problem is neither side would agree with a change on the rules of visibility and knowing if you are visable or not so i just say scrap the whole thing for a while bring it back at a latter time when all the other bugs are worked out and implament changes then. For now just end the strife says i.
Message Edited by abbink on 09-13-2005 10:09 AM
Nakafeldt --- "/Sigh
Another cry Nerf?
/sigh
I kill every BH that comes after me. I have crapy crystals and made full temp less than 3 weeks ago. It adds excitment and a thrill to the game.
Dont like it? Dont play!"
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No its not a cry for a nerf, Its a cry to END the nerfs and whining. If there is no complaining there will be no nerfs. Its seems neither jedi or BH are gonna be happy untill one can totally eradicate the other and, that can never happen.
If they make it so BH have all npc marks and jedi get hunted by npc BH, there is no more tension.
I have played both sides of the situation. Both professions are very good but, no matter what the devs give to either one, the other gripes till things get nerfed.
Also, as someone else posted, it may reignite the GCW being that everyone will play other professions. Give jedi our FRS to PvP one another and, BH can join the GCW if they want to PvP.
Either way I dont really care. I enjoy the game no matter what. Its all in how you view things. Some people just want to be the "uber L33T, I pwn j00 no0b" no matter what and, it makes me ill sometimes.
Torqued wrote:
Nakafeldt --- "/Sigh
Another cry Nerf?
/sigh
I kill every BH that comes after me. I have crapy crystals and made full temp less than 3 weeks ago. It adds excitment and a thrill to the game.
Dont like it? Dont play!"
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No its not a cry for a nerf, Its a cry to END the nerfs and whining. If there is no complaining there will be no nerfs. Its seems neither jedi or BH are gonna be happy untill one can totally eradicate the other and, that can never happen.
If they make it so BH have all npc marks and jedi get hunted by npc BH, there is no more tension.
I have played both sides of the situation. Both professions are very good but, no matter what the devs give to either one, the other gripes till things get nerfed.
Also, as someone else posted, it may reignite the GCW being that everyone will play other professions. Give jedi our FRS to PvP one another and, BH can join the GCW if they want to PvP.
Either way I dont really care. I enjoy the game no matter what. Its all in how you view things. Some people just want to be the "uber L33T, I pwn j00 no0b" no matter what and, it makes me ill sometimes.
My sentiments exactly im not screaming for a nerf at all but an end to the constant turmoil regarding this subject. Its the whole reason for my post. Not that i think my idea is new or better than anyone's either. I have read many posts all of wich have great ideas to balance the system but none will ever solve the problem. The only thing that would truely be fair and balanced is for it to go away. Make both professions as uber as possible in PVE dont really care there.because as you said everyone wants the uberest toon. Just dont make them uber against each other. Muliplayer gaming isnt just about PVP or it would be called playerversus player gaming,its about mulitplayer which can also suggest cooperative play. The proplem with the bh vs jedi system is that its all about pvp and some people prefer cooperative play so no one will ever be happy with it and strife concerning nerf this and nerf that or un-nerf this and un-nerf that will never stop unless it is gone. People that want to get involved in PVP let them those that dont, dont make them. Ive read many posts saying if you dont want to pvp then dont be a jedi. iThat's not a feasable solution either because lets face it when alot of people think of star wars two things come to mind, jedi and strom troopers or a version of the same, well atleast for me any way. We arent all the same though so i cant speak for everyone.It's probably becasue people like me that jedi were introduced into this game any way.
Message Edited by abbink on 09-13-2005 10:27 AM
i agree one hundred percent with the orignal poster.
back before there were player bounty's in the game it was fun and this forum only really had post about how to do this or that, or this is bugged and that is bugged. after player bounty's were put in the game all he77 broke loose, now these two professions are literaly at each others necks one hundred precent of the time and all this hate and back stabbing is being coverd up by the 20% minority in the game that enjoy that forum of game play.
the reason you have all this hate is not cause your allowing that 20% to have there content, but your "making" the other 80% join in on it against there will. its like making a man who wont eat meat go hunting with you just cause he owns a gun. this system would have nearly zero complaints in it if it was just made valuntary.
im not sure really what the dev.s were thinking when they made this system, unless they "meant" for it to be punishment for jedi and not really content for bh's. in all walks of life you have factions going against each other and using every means nessasary to overcome the others. this game is no different. the developers try over and over to balance a system that by simple human nature ppl are going to use every means possible to get ahead. and in this system since you have one faction that has more to loose it cause that faction to work even harder, even to the point of cheating reguardless of the punishment for cheating, simply to try to get that much more of an advantage.
the bounty hunter vs. jedi system is "WRONG", it is simple bringing out nothing but the worst in ppl. the system has taken all the pk'ers in the world and givin them a reason and a method to do what they enjoy doing. the one thing that is most frowned apone in most mmo's is being givin its own in swg, this has got to stop.
at this point in the sw:g timeline if you still have a problem with jedi in the game you need to just friggin quit already, the numbers "ARE NOT" going to fall, there going to get bigger and bigger and there is nothing you can do about it, deal with it.
therefor the system needs to be either volentary or scrapped, nothing else will get rid of this unwanted hate generater. and if you enjoy pvp so much, go overt in the GCW, thats what its friggin for.
fouchin wrote:
i agree one hundred percent with the orignal poster.
back before there were player bounty's in the game it was fun and this forum only really had post about how to do this or that, or this is bugged and that is bugged. after player bounty's were put in the game all he77 broke loose, now these two professions are literaly at each others necks one hundred precent of the time and all this hate and back stabbing is being coverd up by the 20% minority in the game that enjoy that forum of game play.
the reason you have all this hate is not cause your allowing that 20% to have there content, but your "making" the other 80% join in on it against there will. its like making a man who wont eat meat go hunting with you just cause he owns a gun. this system would have nearly zero complaints in it if it was just made valuntary.
im not sure really what the dev.s were thinking when they made this system, unless they "meant" for it to be punishment for jedi and not really content for bh's. in all walks of life you have factions going against each other and using every means nessasary to overcome the others. this game is no different. the developers try over and over to balance a system that by simple human nature ppl are going to use every means possible to get ahead. and in this system since you have one faction that has more to loose it cause that faction to work even harder, even to the point of cheating reguardless of the punishment for cheating, simply to try to get that much more of an advantage.
the bounty hunter vs. jedi system is "WRONG", it is simple bringing out nothing but the worst in ppl. the system has taken all the pk'ers in the world and givin them a reason and a method to do what they enjoy doing. the one thing that is most frowned apone in most mmo's is being givin its own in swg, this has got to stop.
at this point in the sw:g timeline if you still have a problem with jedi in the game you need to just friggin quit already, the numbers "ARE NOT" going to fall, there going to get bigger and bigger and there is nothing you can do about it, deal with it.
therefor the system needs to be either volentary or scrapped, nothing else will get rid of this unwanted hate generater. and if you enjoy pvp so much, go overt in the GCW, thats what its friggin for.
Message Edited by abbink on 09-13-200510:31 AM
Message Edited by abbink on 09-13-2005 10:31 AM
fouchin wrote:
balock_the_zabrak wrote:
Unfortunatly whining is inevitable. We all pay for this game. I am a bounty hunter and all I see on either Jedi or BH forums are a few types of posts the Solution to the bh vs. jedi relationship (which has spawned some really stupid solutions might I add), the I hate bhs/I hate Jedi posts, The Lets stop the arguing posts, and the wahhhhhh Jedi are too powerful/bhs (sometimes MBH/MCMs) are too powerful). The funniest thing is we happen to get the most attention and yet we complain the most. Look at the smugglers forum and see what they think when publishes involve either jedi or bhs. You should see how mad they are. I say leave it for now and fix it later. There is a reason we choose our professions, I chose bh cause of it's content. Our NPC missions only have better loot, they are not better content. Jedi is basically endgame for a lot of people. Now for me I don't think I will ever have an endgame cause I take my time retooling my template to serve me better. The thing about bhs is a lot of them have to understand that we are not population control. If we were population control then there would be the possibility of stopping the numbers of jedi, now we know that isn't so. BHs also have to remember that a jedi who is cloaking or doing something like running, is not necessarily a newb or a baby, but someone trying not to die. Jedi on the other hand, have to remember that their templates vary and with that so does the effect of a particular bh template. I see the nerf posts all the time and I see jedi saying that say mbh/mcm is too powerful and then I see the jedi that says you guys are foolish just learn your template. I hope the FRS allows for some jedi to gain power, that way there is more diversity besides just paddy and full temp. I don't think that either side of this little conflict should get an I win button. I don't think bh needs any more added (although some stuff from the movies is really cool) and I don't really feel jedi needs much of a fix. I do feel people need to start treating the rest of the community with respect and we should step back and stop the complaining and allow other groups to be heard. Let the smuggler have his/her day. Or one of the other overlooked professions. It's time to understand that our 15 bucks a month is not worth more than anyone elses.
agree, that is why the system should be completely "turned off". with this evil step child out of the way time and effort can be made to give all those other professions in the game some very much needed love (i.e. poor smugglers ). if you have a wicked splinter in your palm yet your floor needs to be clearned really bad, you take out the splinter so that you can clean the floor well, not leave the splinter and do a half azz job on the floor.
turn it off or continue dealing with a half azz game with hate and complaining from all directions cause the devs spent too much time trying to keep all the jedi and bounty hunters happy..
it seems to be the only truely fair solution right now...otherwise both professions will be nerfed to uselessness and nothingness. End the strife now. Fix the over all game problems then revist it this option later or maybe never. Perhaps then the posts in these forums will be constructive and positive again. Out of all the awesome ideas ive read it appears to be the only real solution. Dont flame me too hard for saying that. Its just one man's oppinion...lol
Message Edited by abbink on 09-13-2005 11:10 AM