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Thread: Did we cause Ourselves to be Underpowered? YES!
Hey just some points i was thinking of...
Ok everyone knows Jedi are a bit underpowered (but still well rounded in my opinion). SoI'm thinking it’sbecause we always complained about being ganked by a group of BHs. Well the devs listened to us, and made it 1 Jedi vs.1 BH (I know their are ways around this, but it doesn’t happen often)Anyways so the devs "tried" tomake it so only one BH can hunt a Jedi, well because they did that they had to reduce the power of a Jedi so ONE BH could actually stand up against them. In the days when Jedi were powerful, most full template Jedi would pulverize any single BH.
When ganks squads existed, the Jedi were still strong so they could at least put up a good fight. I remember once I was attacked by 3 BH's at once and I was able to kill all of them, it was an awesome fight...and honestly I was lucky to come up on top. Yesterday I was attacked by 2 BH/CM and their is no way I could take 2 of them at once, so I had to run.
So what I’m trying to say is that we Jedihave to make a choice to push for...
1. Jedi’s are to be made Powerful again, but then they must allow BH's to hunt us in groups.
OR
2. Only one BH can hunt us at a time, but we are kept essentially as powerful as any regular elite profession.
I personally would rather be powerful and live with the gank squads...which one you choose?
Suggestions/Criticism/flames are all welcome just be Constructive please.
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I've seen many posts talking about how we caused nerfs on ourselves by complaining about each other templates...like whos is better... US JEDI NEED TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER....NO MATTER WHAT!!! If a template is better than yours, so what? You can change yours if you want, it only takes like 2 weeks. The more we complain about each other the more they are gonna hit us with the Neft Bat.
I dont care about how many new jedi are running around, I dont care that jedi have it easier now than us Pre cu jedi, I dont care that the grindis so much easier now...all i care about is the support that we give each other! No other profession is gonna stand up for us, we all need to have each others back. I know that some professions are broken like Healer and Powers alittle, even though im neither of those things, I still support them...I dont have cloak...but i still dont want them to nerf it. Why? Because we are all Jedi and if we cant unite then we will never get what we want/deserve.
My 2 Cents 
Message Edited by Mfodish on 10-09-2005 05:27 PM
Message Edited by Mfodish on 10-10-2005 09:26 AM
Mfodish wrote:
Hey just some points i was thinking of...
Ok everyone knows Jedi are a bit underpowered (this is what happens whenthe risk goes away)(but still well rounded in my opinion). SoI'm thinking it’sbecause we always complained about being ganked by a group of BHs (this is the risk). Well the devs listened to us, and made it 1 Jedi vs.1 BH (I know their are ways around this, but it doesn’t happen often)Anyways so the devs "tried" tomake it so only one BH can hunt a Jedi, well because they did that they had to reduce the power of a Jedi so ONE BH could actually stand up against them. In the days when Jedi were powerful, most full template Jedi would pulverize any single BH (this is what jedi would still be if the risk of gank squads was still around so by definition this is the reward).
When ganks squads existed, the Jedi were still strong so they could at least put up a good fight. I remember once I was attacked by 3 BH's at once and I was able to kill all of them, it was an awesome fight...and honestly I was lucky to come up on top. Yesterday I was attacked by 2 BH/CM and their is no way I could take 2 of them at once, so I had to run.
So what I’m trying to say is that we Jedihave to make a choice to push for...
1. Jedi’s are to be made Powerful again, but then they must allow BH's to hunt us in groups.
OR
2. Only one BH can hunt us at a time, but we are kept essentially as powerful as any regular elite profession.
I personally would rather be powerful and live with the gank squads...which one you choose?
Suggestions/Criticism/flames are all welcome just be Constructive please.
so many jedi want things to be handed to them on a silver plater. they just didnt under stand the term of the risk and reward system
another words the more you have to lose the less likely your going to lose it this is a PERFECT example of why jedi are weak now
back when we had gank squads jedi had more to lose so they had to be powerful to surivive now its one on one you dont have to be that powerful anymore so just incase someone still doesnt understand ill point out what im on about.
LordDraconis wrote:
Underpowered well don't know about that, seems you guys are fine were you are. Besides chances are jedi are going to get nerfed more when FRS comes back. Made a post a few days ago about balance and why cu made you guys alot weaker. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
Overall jedi is fine were they are I agree they should fix FRS but I don't want to see jedi get too overpowered that they need 5 bh to take them down I always found that very dumb it took that much. Bh solo jedi now because jedi said they didn't like getting ganked by bh grouping. Thats all good but since bh can only solo jedi now I see no reason to really make jedi all that much more powerfull.
a jedi knight should be way more powerful at guardian, and more or less untouchable by masters. a knight should be 2.5x stronger than a regular non jedi proffession template.
the issue was that when bhs could come after me with a 5 man gank squad i could kill them all if i didnt fumble, now 1 bh can drain my entire forcebar, death from 1 or death from 5 bhs is the exact same thing. Death and xp loss.
A frs jedi should be untouchable by a single BH, technically a full temp paddy should be 1.5
Bhs have things way to easy now.
Just a little food for thought:
1. The nerfs started before the removal of the gank squads.
2. The removal of the gank squads was primarially because you would have 2-3 (or more) BH on a 50-90k padawan, I can not even count how many times this happened to me.
I do understand and except the whole risk vs reward theory, and I would greatly take greater risks for more reward, but as it stands right now we have low risks and no rewards, it needs to be balanced. Should BH have a penelty for losing a fight, perhaps but I don't think that is necessary, I think a better solution is to remove the Jedi from the terms and fail all missions already out for Jedi who DB a BH, that would be enough for me to stand and fight more than I do.
Pday wrote:
LordDraconis wrote:
Underpowered well don't know about that, seems you guys are fine were you are. Besides chances are jedi are going to get nerfed more when FRS comes back. Made a post a few days ago about balance and why cu made you guys alot weaker. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
Overall jedi is fine were they are I agree they should fix FRS but I don't want to see jedi get too overpowered that they need 5 bh to take them down I always found that very dumb it took that much. Bh solo jedi now because jedi said they didn't like getting ganked by bh grouping. Thats all good but since bh can only solo jedi now I see no reason to really make jedi all that much more powerfull.
a jedi knight should be way more powerful at guardian, and more or less untouchable by masters. a knight should be 2.5x stronger than a regular non jedi proffession template.
the issue was that when bhs could come after me with a 5 man gank squad i could kill them all if i didnt fumble, now 1 bh can drain my entire forcebar, death from 1 or death from 5 bhs is the exact same thing. Death and xp loss.
A frs jedi should be untouchable by a single BH, technically a full temp paddy should be 1.5
Bhs have things way to easy now.
Hardly. The Empire thinks the Jedi are all dead. How can you put a bounty on something that doesn't exist?
LordDraconis wrote:
Pday wrote:
LordDraconis wrote:
Underpowered well don't know about that, seems you guys are fine were you are. Besides chances are jedi are going to get nerfed more when FRS comes back. Made a post a few days ago about balance and why cu made you guys alot weaker. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
Overall jedi is fine were they are I agree they should fix FRS but I don't want to see jedi get too overpowered that they need 5 bh to take them down I always found that very dumb it took that much. Bh solo jedi now because jedi said they didn't like getting ganked by bh grouping. Thats all good but since bh can only solo jedi now I see no reason to really make jedi all that much more powerfull.
a jedi knight should be way more powerful at guardian, and more or less untouchable by masters. a knight should be 2.5x stronger than a regular non jedi proffession template.
the issue was that when bhs could come after me with a 5 man gank squad i could kill them all if i didnt fumble, now 1 bh can drain my entire forcebar, death from 1 or death from 5 bhs is the exact same thing. Death and xp loss.
A frs jedi should be untouchable by a single BH, technically a full temp paddy should be 1.5
Bhs have things way to easy now.
Well did you read my post?, I'll place it again
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
....like I said its about balance. So your saying once you reach knight no bh should not be able to beat you? So you can be worry free trying to make guardain then make master. Well doesn't work that way in this timeline jedi are the bad guys and thus have bountys on their head.
LordDraconis wrote:
Pday wrote:
LordDraconis wrote:
Underpowered well don't know about that, seems you guys are fine were you are. Besides chances are jedi are going to get nerfed more when FRS comes back. Made a post a few days ago about balance and why cu made you guys alot weaker. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
Overall jedi is fine were they are I agree they should fix FRS but I don't want to see jedi get too overpowered that they need 5 bh to take them down I always found that very dumb it took that much. Bh solo jedi now because jedi said they didn't like getting ganked by bh grouping. Thats all good but since bh can only solo jedi now I see no reason to really make jedi all that much more powerfull.
a jedi knight should be way more powerful at guardian, and more or less untouchable by masters. a knight should be 2.5x stronger than a regular non jedi proffession template.
the issue was that when bhs could come after me with a 5 man gank squad i could kill them all if i didnt fumble, now 1 bh can drain my entire forcebar, death from 1 or death from 5 bhs is the exact same thing. Death and xp loss.
A frs jedi should be untouchable by a single BH, technically a full temp paddy should be 1.5
Bhs have things way to easy now.
Well did you read my post?, I'll place it again
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
....like I said its about balance. So your saying once you reach knight no bh should not be able to beat you? So you can be worry free trying to make guardain then make master. Well doesn't work that way in this timeline jedi are the bad guys and thus have bountys on their head.
Message Edited by Pday on 10-09-2005 05:22 PM
1. 1st of all the timeline has no validity anymore. This is a MMORPG, if you hold true to the "timeline" this game would have died about 1 year ago. But if you want to go by the movies/books (which is what I am assuming that you mean by timeline) name a BH that hunted Jedi, also a BH would be no match for a Jedi if you want to use cannon.
LordDraconis wrote:
Pday wrote:
LordDraconis wrote:
Underpowered well don't know about that, seems you guys are fine were you are. Besides chances are jedi are going to get nerfed more when FRS comes back. Made a post a few days ago about balance and why cu made you guys alot weaker. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
Overall jedi is fine were they are I agree they should fix FRS but I don't want to see jedi get too overpowered that they need 5 bh to take them down I always found that very dumb it took that much. Bh solo jedi now because jedi said they didn't like getting ganked by bh grouping. Thats all good but since bh can only solo jedi now I see no reason to really make jedi all that much more powerfull.
a jedi knight should be way more powerful at guardian, and more or less untouchable by masters. a knight should be 2.5x stronger than a regular non jedi proffession template.
the issue was that when bhs could come after me with a 5 man gank squad i could kill them all if i didnt fumble, now 1 bh can drain my entire forcebar, death from 1 or death from 5 bhs is the exact same thing. Death and xp loss.
A frs jedi should be untouchable by a single BH, technically a full temp paddy should be 1.5
Bhs have things way to easy now.
Well did you read my post?, I'll place it again
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
....like I said its about balance. So your saying once you reach knight no bh should not be able to beat you? So you can be worry free trying to make guardain then make master. Well doesn't work that way in this timeline jedi are the bad guys and thus have bountys on their head.
PDPoc wrote:
But if you want to go by the movies/books (which is what I am assuming that you mean by timeline) name a BH that hunted Jedi