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Thread: How to make it worthwhile for a Jedi to stay and fight a bounty hunter
... how about this solution:
Everytime a Jedi kills a bounty hunter, the Jedi gets the bounty reward the BH would have collected. To stop Jedi from exploiting this system for credits, the bounty hunter goes into "Bounty Debt" that has to be repaid through the bonuses that the bounty hunter guild pays him. If the BH is in "Bounty Debt" he still gets paid the bounty listed on the terminals (around 50k credits) in any future successful missions, but the bonus the bounty hunter guild pays him (which is usually around 176k credits) goes toward his "Bounty Debt" until all of it is repaid. The roleplay justification for this would be that "Bounty Debt" is being paid to his employer for failure -- much like Jabba demanded Han Solo to repay him for his failure to complete a contract. If the BH is in "Bounty Debt" when a Jedi kills him, the Jedi will only collect the amount listed on the terminals and that amount will be applied to the BH's "Bounty Debt".
Addendum: They should also lower the payouts on the terminals to around 30k to further prevent exploiting for cash.
Message Edited by OhBuggah on 09-05-2005 07:41 PM
Subie_Smith wrote:
BH missions and XP loss are nothing more than SOE sanctioned griefing to calm down all the little nerf-babies who have thier e-feelings hurt 'cause they aren't Jedi.
Eh, troll?
Look, I'm a BH coming here with a productive suggestion to enhance theBH vs. Jedi gameplay experience. I'm not advocating a nerf ... I'm advocating a buff. Is it not appealing to be able to collect 226k credits from killing a bounty hunter? Is it not appealing to inflict some kind of "payback" for a BH who fails a mission? Making him pay it back through his own pocket? It sounds to me like you just want Jedi XP loss to go away -- well that ain't going to happen unless Jedi power comes down to be 1:1 with normal professions. Whether you like it or not, the Jedi class is more powerful than all others. It is the reason why every PvP'er and their momma wants to be a Jedi.
You don't think all the tells about "You sploiter!" and "My alt could pwn j00" or don't forget "What the #$&^??? You made my Katarn armor decay by makin me clone!!!" are enough?
Message Edited by Ihareo on 09-05-2005 07:52 PM
OhBuggah wrote:
Subie_Smith wrote:
BH missions and XP loss are nothing more than SOE sanctioned griefing to calm down all the little nerf-babies who have thier e-feelings hurt 'cause they aren't Jedi.
Eh, troll?
Look, I'm a BH coming here with a productive suggestion to enhance theBH vs. Jedi gameplay experience. I'm not advocating a nerf ... I'm advocating a buff. Is it not appealing to be able to collect 226k credits from killing a bounty hunter? Is it not appealing to inflict some kind of "payback" for a BH who fails a mission? Making him pay it back through his own pocket? It sounds to me like you just want Jedi XP loss to go away -- well that ain't going to happen unless Jedi power comes down to be 1:1 with normal professions. Whether you like it or not, the Jedi class is more powerful than all others. It is the reason why every PvP'er and their momma wants to be a Jedi.
Nope. There is absolutely no reason for BH missions to exist let alone XP loss. It's nothing more than sanctioned griefing of the worst magnitude. A BH template costs almost 3000% less than a Jedi template so relax a little bit with all of the talk about how strong Jedi are. When we are 3000% stronger come talk to me about XP loss and BH missions.
OhBuggah wrote:
Subie_Smith wrote:
BH missions and XP loss are nothing more than SOE sanctioned griefing to calm down all the little nerf-babies who have thier e-feelings hurt 'cause they aren't Jedi.
Eh, troll?
Look, I'm a BH coming here with a productive suggestion to enhance theBH vs. Jedi gameplay experience. I'm not advocating a nerf ... I'm advocating a buff. Is it not appealing to be able to collect 226k credits from killing a bounty hunter? Is it not appealing to inflict some kind of "payback" for a BH who fails a mission? Making him pay it back through his own pocket? It sounds to me like you just want Jedi XP loss to go away -- well that ain't going to happen unless Jedi power comes down to be 1:1 with normal professions. Whether you like it or not, the Jedi class is more powerful than all others. It is the reason why every PvP'er and their momma wants to be a Jedi.
we are 1 : 1 already there wasnt to much whining about xp loss pre cu, guess why? because jedi was worth it.
OhBuggah wrote:
... how about this solution:
Everytime a Jedi kills a bounty hunter, the Jedi gets the bounty reward the BH would have collected. To stop Jedi from exploiting this system for credits, the bounty hunter goes into "Bounty Debt" that has to be repaid through the bonuses that the bounty hunter guild pays him. If the BH is in "Bounty Debt" he still gets paid the bounty listed on the terminals (around 50k credits) in any future successful missions, but the bonus the bounty hunter guild pays him (which is usually around 176k credits) goes toward his "Bounty Debt" until all of it is repaid. The roleplay justification for this would be that "Bounty Debt" is being paid to his employer for failure -- much like Jabba demanded Han Solo to repay him for his failure to complete a contract. If the BH is in "Bounty Debt" when a Jedi kills him, the Jedi will only collect the amount listed on the terminals and that amount will be applied to the BH's "Bounty Debt".
Addendum: They should also lower the payouts on the terminals to around 30k to further prevent exploiting for cash.
Message Edited by OhBuggah on 09-05-2005 07:41 PM
Wow. I actually agree with something Maura posted.
If you don't think a full template Jedi is more powerful than any BH template, then you should delete your Jedi now because you don't know how to use it.
Subie_Smith wrote:
Nope. There is absolutely no reason for BH missions to exist let alone XP loss. It's nothing more than sanctioned griefing of the worst magnitude. A BH template costs almost 3000% less than a Jedi template so relax a little bit with all of the talk about how strong Jedi are. When we are 3000% stronger come talk to me about XP loss and BH missions.
Subie_Smith wrote:
OhBuggah wrote:
Subie_Smith wrote:
BH missions and XP loss are nothing more than SOE sanctioned griefing to calm down all the little nerf-babies who have thier e-feelings hurt 'cause they aren't Jedi.
Eh, troll?Look, I'm a BH coming here with a productive suggestion to enhance the BH vs. Jedi gameplay experience. I'm not advocating a nerf ... I'm advocating a buff. Is it not appealing to be able to collect 226k credits from killing a bounty hunter? Is it not appealing to inflict some kind of "payback" for a BH who fails a mission? Making him pay it back through his own pocket? It sounds to me like you just want Jedi XP loss to go away -- well that ain't going to happen unless Jedi power comes down to be 1:1 with normal professions. Whether you like it or not, the Jedi class is more powerful than all others. It is the reason why every PvP'er and their momma wants to be a Jedi.
Nope. There is absolutely no reason for BH missions to exist let alone XP loss. It's nothing more than sanctioned griefing of the worst magnitude. A BH template costs almost 3000% less than a Jedi template so relax a little bit with all of the talk about how strong Jedi are. When we are 3000% stronger come talk to me about XP loss and BH missions.
I agree, back when 4/4/4/4 Guardians were tearing up everything in sight with nearly endless force pools (even new Jedi ran out MUCH slower back then), 80% saber block, 80-90% armor depending on the server, 10000 damage per hit attacks, an unresisted damage type, etc. BH missions were understandable. Now we're not much different from a normal profession even after all the months of grinding Jedi XP, sometimes over a year just to GET Jedi, grinding out FS xp equal to doing a few normal professions, etc.
There's a concept known as "risk vs reward". The greater reward, the greater the risk. Jedi have the reward taken away while the work remained the same (don't even start about the respec/Ryatt trail Jedi stuff), and the risk is still there.
Losing XP on death serves no purpose at all, those immature BH that tell themselves SOE put Jedi bounties in because they're supposed to keep Jedi from levelling are just ignorant.
If XP loss was removed then most of us could live with the barely stronger then normal skills, but until then we're just being abused.
OhBuggah wrote:
If you don't think a full template Jedi is more powerful than any BH template, then you should delete your Jedi now because you don't know how to use it.
Subie_Smith wrote:
Nope. There is absolutely no reason for BH missions to exist let alone XP loss. It's nothing more than sanctioned griefing of the worst magnitude. A BH template costs almost 3000% less than a Jedi template so relax a little bit with all of the talk about how strong Jedi are. When we are 3000% stronger come talk to me about XP loss and BH missions.
A perfectly played BH with a perfect template facing a perfect Jedi with a perfect Jedi template will usually lose, yes, but we're not in a perfect world.
Would you grind for over a year just to be slightly stronger then everyone else? What purpose does that serve?
AMercedes Benz will take you from point A to point B just the same as a Hyundai Sonata only the Benz does it a little bit better, but some people still find the prestige of driving the Benz worth the substantially higher cost to attain one.
Bib-Fortuna wrote:
A perfectly played BH with a perfect template facing a perfect Jedi with a perfect Jedi template will usually lose, yes, but we're not in a perfect world.
Would you grind for over a year just to be slightly stronger then everyone else? What purpose does that serve?