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Thread: Just some food for thought on Saber Dmg

Metalsaber
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:00 am
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Clicky

Look at the stats on that gun. That is just wrong in so many ways. Even us with premium pearls cannot match the stats on that gun. So why are we fighting amongst ourselves?

That and a rifleman doesnt have to be 5m away or less to attack.

Thx soe.



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gera
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:02 am
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I have one.


And it misses every 1 of 3 shots with Master Rifleman.






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Jacella
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:04 am
#3

Lightsaber damage stats aren't what make us effective and dominating in combat. You aren't taking into account the rest of the skills we have at our disposal.





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xur-soma
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:05 am
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Metalsaber wrote:
Clicky

Look at the stats on that gun. That is just wrong in so many ways. Even us with premium pearls cannot match the stats on that gun. So why are we fighting amongst ourselves?

That and a rifleman doesnt have to be 5m away or less to attack.

Thx soe.




you could give that gun to any MRM combo and i will kill him, so I dont think its over powed i think its just fine as is... I do not see that jedi sabers are weak at all.





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WookieOgre
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:08 am
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Metalsaber wrote:
Clicky

Look at the stats on that gun. That is just wrong in so many ways. Even us with premium pearls cannot match the stats on that gun. So why are we fighting amongst ourselves?

That and a rifleman doesnt have to be 5m away or less to attack.

Thx soe.





lol, my ALR is better.


I have 2.5 speed before slice or PU. With a 12% slice it got down to 2.2, modified it was at something like 1.2. Keep in mind you need some really good expensive loot to do this but yeah, they are pretty sweet guns hehe.


Thing is you really have to put an Action PU on rifles because with a speed buff your action goes poof.


With a Damage PU my min damage is amost 50 points higher than my saber (which is 609-709 damage I think), and the max damage is over 1300 which is 600 points higher lol. If I can kill the Jedi in 5-6 hits then I don't worry about action costs. You just outlined why I don't like playing my Jedi as much. Hey at least there is no more 1k Dot weapons anymore!
esfnighthawk
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:10 am
#6

So you all don't think it's funny that Sabers max damage is around 720+ damage while other weapons in this game, both melee and ranged, can reach over 1000 damage? I found that fricken hilarious, cause we all know Ryyk Blades were alot more devastating than Lightsabers ever were It's funny to see how SOE got us into this mentality that a 700 damage LS is good. Hell, I wouldn't let my alt use a weapon that was less than 900 damage, why should we Jedi settle for less.





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WookieOgre
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:15 am
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esfnighthawk wrote:
So you all don't think it's funny that Sabers max damage is around 720+ damage while other weapons in this game, both melee and ranged, can reach over 1000 damage? I found that fricken hilarious, cause we all know Ryyk Blades were alot more devastating than Lightsabers ever were It's funny to see how SOE got us into this mentality that a 700 damage LS is good. Hell, I wouldn't let my alt use a weapon that was less than 900 damage, why should we Jedi settle for less.






Actually in PvP, more times than not the Min damage is the key to victory. That is why a 720 damage saber is still one mean mofo. It's also the reason why a lot of people with capped damage for rifles/guns come back and complain they can't do damage to a Master Defender, well their min damage is 350-450, that's exactly why they can't damage him.


Now if we are talking about non-Defender templates, well yep you are going to get killed by most people due to the fact they'll be hitting for their max damage (minus FA if you have it)


Oblox
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:15 am
#8

Dont forget elemental.

700 + 200 = 900.

To be honest thats pretty good, compare it to the nuker class rifles and yes its low but compare it to other weapons and it isnt that bad.



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Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:15 am
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Can I have a cookiee?



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Gohma_Manovich
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:16 am
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Jacella wrote:
Lightsaber damage stats aren't what make us effective and dominating in combat. You aren't taking into account the rest of the skills we have at our disposal.





yes this is very true a piure jedi is very powerful, but if you imagine a 3 set of proffesions based around a weapon which did 1.1k damage and that would be poiwerful too



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WookieOgre
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:17 am
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Oblox wrote:
Dont forget elemental.

700 + 200 = 900.

To be honest thats pretty good, compare it to the nuker class rifles and yes its low but compare it to other weapons and it isnt that bad.





Technically you can't do that. 700 damage scales with the damage modifers, the 200 elemental is just that, 200 extra damage (does not scale with any damage modifer).


It's one reason why I hate the fact devs turned a good portion of our damage to elemental.


Jacella
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:20 am
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esfnighthawk wrote:
So you all don't think it's funny that Sabers max damage is around 720+ damage while other weapons in this game, both melee and ranged, can reach over 1000 damage? I found that fricken hilarious, cause we all know Ryyk Blades were alot more devastating than Lightsabers ever were It's funny to see how SOE got us into this mentality that a 700 damage LS is good. Hell, I wouldn't let my alt use a weapon that was less than 900 damage, why should we Jedi settle for less.





No, I don't. What you all are forgetting it the specials timers. Jedi have some of the shortest timers in the game, and if you choose the right skillset, we are much much faster than anyone else. We also have the highest elemental damage of any class. We also can do the following; Heal, use stims, mez, have aura and/or force armour, valor, ranged kd on a very short timer, apply all states, and much much more, depending on your template. Jedi is an elite pvp profession, that doesn't equate to an "I Win" profession.Jedi takes more skill and planning, better tactics and a lot more practice than any other profession. I have both a BH and a Jedi...I will tell you without a doubt, I am far better with my jedi than any other profession I have ever played...because I practiced a lot longer with it.





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Puttley
Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:21 am
#13

it would be a safe bet to assume most BHs left have something like that, now the crowds have left. i know all those in the BH guild one of my toons is in have one as good or better. important thing to remember is saber elemental damage - both adds upto 200 to min/max (final calc, or however its done) and elemental defence on armor is 2000pts lower on almost all armor than the energy (at least in recon).

PS my weaponsmith is getting the last 2 resources to make a 1000 DPS ALR after a speed pup

Message Edited by Puttley on 09-06-2005 05:22 PM

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