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Thread: FRS Idea

Cubsfan22
Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:48 pm
#1

I only have one box left until my current template is complete. At the same time I was doing the Knight Trails. I got to the Giant Canyon Krayt Dragon and I stopped. I will not be looking for (with the jedi at least) or killing this dragon to become a knight. The FRS system is gay and I would hate to be punked in a SP while waiting for a shuttle. Not too mention, the maintenance cost of each rank. So here is my proposition:


Suspend all Rank Maintenance UNLESS the rank is full and there are people in the rank below it. If you have a jedi at the top seat and noone below him, why knock him down? Let him keep the rank until someone gets below him and wants to move up. Then MAYBE, more people will want to get into the FRS. I just want the title, but I do not want to have to go through the trails again and have to run around permaovert with the same skills/stats/powers/abilities as I do at my present rank.....one krayt away from knight (and a different color robe with same stat modifiers as well.)



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Tenfo
Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:53 pm
#2

I agree.


They should remove Rank xp decay completely except when Rank 2+ become full then start a much lower decay.


These 1000, 3000, 5000+... decay rates are insane.




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Lightsabersmith
Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:17 pm
#3

Thats not a bad idea. At least the principle of maintenance costs when there is competition for a rank is good anyway. One way to maybe achieve this is to take the number of petitioners for a rank that get turned down and subtract a certain variable amount from all the people above them. The higher you are in the tree when you get turned down, the more exp loss you cause the people above you.


So as long as people's petitions are getting turned down, then all the people in the ranks above are losing FRS exp. This encourages people to petition each cycle since it will force everyone above to get exp or get knocked down. If no one is petitioning, and getting denied then no one is losing FRS exp. This would do a few things:



  • Allow rapid advancement through the tiers when there are very few knights, giving knights a real reason to collect FRS exp.

  • As the tree filled up the maintenance costs would rise to allow new, more activepeople to displace older more sedentary people.

  • It would encourage people to advance so as to avoid clogging up the lower tiers and thus causing denied petitions.

  • The people at the top of the tree get the worst FRS exp loss, since all petitioners that get denied at any level below them are costing them FRS exp.

  • The people at rank 1 would have a HUGE incentive to move up if there are lots of people at rank 0 petitioning. Since at their level they might have the most petitioners for any open slots. However this would be balanced by the fact that rank 0 petitioners cause very little FRS exp loss to the players above them compared to let's say a rank 8 petitiong for rank 9.

Good idea Cubsfan22. I hope you don't mind that I extended it a bit.

Lightsabersmith
Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:20 pm
#4

Acually it occurred to me that once the tree got filled up, the people in the tree would be locked in place, immovable if this modification to your idea were to come about. Maybe there also needs to be a special penalty for a full tree of knights.
Cubsfan22
Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:55 pm
#5

Lightsabersmith,

I think you did not read the entire post. I said to NOT have FRS cost if there was NOONE below you trying to get into a full tree. For example, rank 5 has 11 slots (I am guessing at the number). There are 5 knights in rank 5 and 4 in the rank below it. Since there is room for all 4 knights below them, there is no need to have FRS maintenance cost. Now, if rank 5 were to have 9 Knights in it and 3 wanted to get in, then someone has to either move up, or get knocked down in order to make room for the 3 below them. In this case, there should be maintenance cost in order to make room for those 3, unless someone in 5 advanced to next rank and then the maintenance cost would stop. That is what I am talking about.


Sort of like, why run a re-election campagne for the President if there is noone to run against him? Sort of stupid.



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Lightsabersmith
Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:23 am
#6






Cubsfan22 wrote:

Lightsabersmith,

I think you did not read the entire post. I said to NOT have FRS cost if there was NOONE below you trying to get into a full tree. For example, rank 5 has 11 slots (I am guessing at the number). There are 5 knights in rank 5 and 4 in the rank below it. Since there is room for all 4 knights below them, there is no need to have FRS maintenance cost. Now, if rank 5 were to have 9 Knights in it and 3 wanted to get in, then someone has to either move up, or get knocked down in order to make room for the 3 below them. In this case, there should be maintenance cost in order to make room for those 3, unless someone in 5 advanced to next rank and then the maintenance cost would stop. That is what I am talking about.


Sort of like, why run a re-election campagne for the President if there is noone to run against him? Sort of stupid.







Yes that would work, but it would have to be a penalty that was levied AFTER the rank got full. So in the case that 1 person got denied rank 5 due to the rank being filled by the other 2, this would not cause a maintenance cost until a full cycle had completed and the rank was full and no one advanced. You have to give people in rank 5 the chance to move up when they realize that their rank has become full. In fact the game should generate an email stating this to all of the rank 5 members.


It does make sense. I sort of liked the idea of petitioners causing the loss since it does mean that there is a real desire, andcapabilityto move up, but it seems like this might not work well given the current FRS voting system. For example why should all the people in a full rank experience exp loss if either a.) there is no one below them, b.) the people below them do not qualify yet to advance, orc.) the people who qualify have no desire to advance yet. This is where it becomes problematic, but maybe the basic principle could be extended to take at least (a) and (b) into consideration. (c) would be too difficult without at changing the voting system to allow people to petition for a rank above them even though there are no open slots in that rank, thus demonstrating (a) presence (b) qualification and (c) desire.


Interesting proposal.

ArianSix
Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:01 pm
#7






Tenfo wrote:

These 1000, 3000, 5000+... decay rates are insane.






Those numbers make me sick. It took me a full weekend day of hardcore PvP to get 1480 frs XP... then two minutes later (one death followed by another clone camped death) I was down to 480 frs xp... it appears that we're losing 500 frs xp / death.


Since the timer is every 30 hours, I just don't see how this is possible to maintain a higher rank without exploiting.


I played all day without dying, camping a Rebel city, with a bunch of Rebels who didn't mind dying (attack-die-clone-repeat) and we were having a heck of a time. Even without the final 2 deaths, that's nowhere near enough xp to maintain any sort of rank higher than level 1.


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CyberFett
Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:07 pm
#8

Why not do away with maintaince all together? I thought if the rank you qualified for was full, the Light Jedi Vote and the Dark Jedi Fight for the position. Seems simple to me, why complicate matters and make the system imposible.


Even if you do happen to reach Counsil or Overlord, you go on Vacation for a week and you are back to the bottom of the FRS? That is wrong.



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Renairdor
Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:16 pm
#9

The numbers really are 'nuts' and make no sense. Couple this in with the fact you need to 'gank' a jedi to actually get a kill in, it's a pretty weird system. The incremental decay is part of the problem. I thought if you voted/dueled other Jedi you do not pay the costs? What happened to the vision that if you are an active jedi, you do not suffer FRS Exp reduction? I had always assumed that the loss/decay was designed for inactive players.


The numbers would be 'fine' if we had an arena system for Jedi dueling, that resulted in minor losses to the loser, and no visibility for the BH to crash a party. Some neutral, instanced 'dungeon' where Jedi go to take a swing at each other. Lots of benefits to such a beast- Jedi are out of 'normal' play, and actually get some jedi specific content.


Hmm, actually such an arena would be nice for all folks. Instanced battlefields for PvP... we sure need those. We sort of had them to start, but they were quite broken.


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Sir_BlackDevil
Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:25 am
#10

Sitting here at work I was reading the forums and I noticed that people are looking forward to the FRS coming back.


At the moment we don't know what sort of system it will entail, so my imagination started to click into gear and a possible good FRS system came to mind.


We could have the Knight Trails similar to previously. Upon completion the Jedi is then permanetly on the BH terminals and FRS rank is gained through BH survival/kill. This gives us somthing to gain by fighting back, but also somthing to gain by running.

(maybe a slight difference between survival and kill in terms of FRS points gained)


Jedi not in the FRS would be unaffected and can loose thier visability as per normal, or possibly not have any visability at all untill entry into FRS.

With this system xp loss could be removed, as FRS point loss would be the penalty for a BH loss.


This way it caters for those that don't want to be forced into pvp, gives us jedi somthing to gain for survival/killing a BH.

Also since the removal of names from the BH mission terminals it makes it harder to "fight club" or "farm" as a BH dropping a mission counts as survival so searching with an alt for your own Jedi could be detremental.



Anyway, just an idea that probably has been thought of before.
TraceAntilles
Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:35 am
#11

Hmm, this game has always had a screwed up mentality on how to reach Jedi and the ranks therein from the start of Launch.


For instance, mastering 25 professions to unlock the Padawan Trials? Man am I glad I wasn't around for that, cause knowing me, I'd go ahead and do that and still feel like I wasn't a Jedi.


Then I think the system had us believing that killing other players and Master BH's increased our force ranking?? Do we need to even comment on that? I am glad they got rid of that idea.


I love the idea of the force village, making skills quest based and acquiring them based off your ability to use those skills, aka grinding.


FRS should be based on quests just like they plan to in Trials of Obi-Wan. The press release hints to this when it says that people will be Light or Dark jedi based on their decisions as the trials progress.


I know this is going to upset some folks that are still playing this game from Launch, but pre-pub9 Jedi just didn't have that opportunity to really become Jedi IMO.



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Sir_BlackDevil
Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:50 am
#12

I hear what you are saying, I think that ToOW will have some impact on the FRS. My thoughts are that it'll determine if you are Light or Dark.


In terms of progression, if it's all quest based then everyone will be able to reach the higher ranks. If not then it'll handicap those that don't buy the expansion untill later if at all andit will also hadicap those that aren't already a Jedi.


Like I said it's only an idea that will hopefully generate a discussion.


My idea above will cater for all templates as not all templates are geared for the kill, some are support templates and it gives them a chance to progress too.


Kal_Choedan
Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:53 am
#13

Sound idea TBH and totaly open to exploitation again. Ive got access to a few BH's to make sure of my progress through the FRS with this system. Shame because the idea is a good one as a part of the ranking points system.



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