Jedi Archive

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TheNarcis wrote:

This whole BH vs Jedi forced PvP crap has done nothing but create one of the worst, and most aggressive MMO communities in the history of gaming.

Now that Jedi lack the power they were promised numerous times, and are an all lose and nothing to gain profession, I would think they would wake up and smell the reality and remove this garbage.

BHs have their "content" with their looting game now.

This would stop a lot of aggression that the whole community has to endure, whether they are directly involved or not.

Message Edited by TheNarcis on 10-24-2005 11:26 PM

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Grunzer wrote:

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TheNarcis wrote:

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ZypherBountyHunter wrote:
Problem is this Forced PvP isnt bad, it jsut isnt working properly, BH's want advantage over Jedi, for easy cash, and the bug list for jedi is endless. Devs wont disable hunting until they actually do balance the BH/Jedi pvp relationship and fix all the bugs. But when they do it will be already to late because alot of jedi suffered from bugs and etc to put them deep in the xp hole.

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Agreed on that point, where the devs should have this disabled, but you can very well notice this was never good for any community. Due to the fact of one wanting more power over the other. And the nerf calls caused a ton of bugs that have gone ignored. It has never been a healthy game mechanic in any game previous, and it is proving to be even worse now.

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True. It's never worked in another other game.

Ultima Online created Trammel, and felluca died. Most gaming companies learned from Raph Kosters original mistakes with PVP, but apparently Raph koster himself never learned, because here he is again with a complete failure for a PVP system. (Bounties & GCW included.)

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IMO--turn based PVP, the best ever has to be DAOC. I think they had it right. Roles huge raids and reasons for controlling territory.

Twitch based--Gotta give this one to SOE, Planetside-Nothing like it to date.

Message Edited by TheNarcis on 10-24-2005 11:26 PM

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TheNarcis wrote:

This whole BH vs Jedi forced PvP crap has done nothing but create one of the worst, and most aggressive MMO communities in the history of gaming.

Now that Jedi lack the power they were promised numerous times, and are an all lose and nothing to gain profession, I would think they would wake up and smell the reality and remove this garbage.

BHs have their "content" with their looting game now.

This would stop a lot of aggression that the whole community has to endure, whether they are directly involved or not.

Message Edited by TheNarcis on 10-24-2005 11:26 PM

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Never really seen you here before Narcis (been away myself sice CURB launched) but you make lots of sense. Of course what you suggest will not be popular and in itself will generate conflict but it is true. But I really couldn't agree with you more.

Edit: i am sure there are jedi that do enjoy being hunted, but many of us do not nor did we ever. Being an old jedi I have known many, and I have met only a very few that actaully enjoyed the PvP, those also happen to of been the same characters that enjoyed PvPing outside starports as normal professions. Not that there is anything wrong with jedi, but some of us wnated jedi for reasons other than PvP, such as RP, the challenge of unlocking, the enjoyment of soloing, a enw profession to explore, etc. So if people still want to be hunted, it should be a simple thing for a jedi to toggle PvP off and on (and I know jed could do a decent job in avoiding it all together too in the current system, simply offering an alternative, one that we have seen many tiems before)

Message Edited by Tlk on 10-24-2005 11:35 PM

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ZypherBountyHunter wrote:
Problem is this Forced PvP isnt bad, it jsut isnt working properly, BH's want advantage over Jedi, for easy cash, and the bug list for jedi is endless. Devs wont disable hunting until they actually do balance the BH/Jedi pvp relationship and fix all the bugs. But when they do it will be already to late because alot of jedi suffered from bugs and etc to put them deep in the xp hole.

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TheNarcis wrote:

This whole BH vs Jedi forced PvP crap has done nothing but create one of the worst, and most aggressive MMO communities in the history of gaming.

Now that Jedi lack the power they were promised numerous times, and are an all lose and nothing to gain profession, I would think they would wake up and smell the reality and remove this garbage.

BHs have their "content" with their looting game now.

This would stop a lot of aggression that the whole community has to endure, whether they are directly involved or not.

Message Edited by TheNarcis on 10-24-2005 11:26 PM

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I love bh attacks. They're great fun. Plus, Jedi dont have that much to loose now. They only loose 500kish when they die, and that can be made up in no time with grind groups.

Its not like the old pre-cu days where a bh death while grinding meant 3+ hours of grinding (about double if non master lightsaber). Jedi have gotten weak as far as what they put up with now adays. As things stand right now BH come for you. If you dont like it, don't log in your jedi until it gets changed, if it ever does. Coming on here and ranting does absolutely nothing.

Message Edited by ChefRubio on 10-24-2005 11:38 PM

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ChefRubio wrote:

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TheNarcis wrote:

This whole BH vs Jedi forced PvP crap has done nothing but create one of the worst, and most aggressive MMO communities in the history of gaming.

Now that Jedi lack the power they were promised numerous times, and are an all lose and nothing to gain profession, I would think they would wake up and smell the reality and remove this garbage.

BHs have their "content" with their looting game now.

This would stop a lot of aggression that the whole community has to endure, whether they are directly involved or not.

Message Edited by TheNarcis on 10-24-200511:26 PM

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Coming on here and ranting does absolutely nothing.

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True, but I still need to vent.

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TheNarcis wrote:

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ZypherBountyHunter wrote:
Problem is this Forced PvP isnt bad, it jsut isnt working properly, BH's want advantage over Jedi, for easy cash, and the bug list for jedi is endless. Devs wont disable hunting until they actually do balance the BH/Jedi pvp relationship and fix all the bugs. But when they do it will be already to late because alot of jedi suffered from bugs and etc to put them deep in the xp hole.

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Agreed on that point, where the devs should have this disabled, but you can very well notice this was never good for any community. Due to the fact of one wanting more power over the other. And the nerf calls caused a ton of bugs that have gone ignored. It has never been a healthy game mechanic in any game previous, and it is proving to be even worse now.

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True. It's never worked in another other game.

Ultima Online created Trammel, and felluca died. Most gaming companies learned from Raph Kosters original mistakes with PVP, but apparently Raph koster himself never learned, because here he is again with a complete failure for a PVP system. (Bounties & GCW included.)

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Grunzer wrote:

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TheNarcis wrote:

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ZypherBountyHunter wrote:
Problem is this Forced PvP isnt bad, it jsut isnt working properly, BH's want advantage over Jedi, for easy cash, and the bug list for jedi is endless. Devs wont disable hunting until they actually do balance the BH/Jedi pvp relationship and fix all the bugs. But when they do it will be already to late because alot of jedi suffered from bugs and etc to put them deep in the xp hole.

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Agreed on that point, where the devs should have this disabled, but you can very well notice this was never good for any community. Due to the fact of one wanting more power over the other. And the nerf calls caused a ton of bugs that have gone ignored. It has never been a healthy game mechanic in any game previous, and it is proving to be even worse now.

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True. It's never worked in another other game.

Ultima Online created Trammel, and felluca died. Most gaming companies learned from Raph Kosters original mistakes with PVP, but apparently Raph koster himself never learned, because here he is again with a complete failure for a PVP system. (Bounties & GCW included.)

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can you elaborate? swg is my first game of this type so i dont knwo what systems were attempted before.

thanks in advance.

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Grunzer wrote:

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TheNarcis wrote:

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ZypherBountyHunter wrote:
Problem is this Forced PvP isnt bad, it jsut isnt working properly, BH's want advantage over Jedi, for easy cash, and the bug list for jedi is endless. Devs wont disable hunting until they actually do balance the BH/Jedi pvp relationship and fix all the bugs. But when they do it will be already to late because alot of jedi suffered from bugs and etc to put them deep in the xp hole.

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Agreed on that point, where the devs should have this disabled, but you can very well notice this was never good for any community. Due to the fact of one wanting more power over the other. And the nerf calls caused a ton of bugs that have gone ignored. It has never been a healthy game mechanic in any game previous, and it is proving to be even worse now.

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True. It's never worked in another other game.

Ultima Online created Trammel, and felluca died. Most gaming companies learned from Raph Kosters original mistakes with PVP, but apparently Raph koster himself never learned, because here he is again with a complete failure for a PVP system. (Bounties & GCW included.)

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IMO--turn based PVP, the best ever has to be DAOC. I think they had it right. Roles huge raids and reasons for controlling territory.

Twitch based--Gotta give this one to SOE, Planetside-Nothing like it to date.