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Thread: MLS / Master Powers something to consider if cloak is changed
/sigh
Specifically the post listing the rules for all stealth moves (including force cloak)
Oblox wrote:
I hate them changing cloak due to the dabblers but i didnt get powers for cloak.
Neither did I - I love all the other abilities like lightning, force breach, area knockdown, area intimidate and of course choke to name but a few! Played well, you can be of great benefit to the AOE group levellers - I think at one point, I was the "tank" that agroed all the critters! Fighting other Jedi and removing all there buffs for your team mates to focus fire on can really help to drop masterdefenders very quickly before they can get AI on!
I knew choosing all this offence would make my defence very low, especially when I have dropped the standard 3000 / 4000 healer most Jedi choose. However being a dark Jedi, there was really no other choice - all out power 4tw! Cloak however is a very critical skill for me in view of my choice of template, which is why I wanted to raise this with all the cloak nerf callers.
Oh and where we saw this - check the ranger revamp thread - one of the developers has commented saying that cloak is not working as they originally intended and so the whole invisibilty thing looks like it is going to be modified with this update. What it exactly means, nothing definite has been said - it is the ranger revamp after all but most people want drastic changes without considering all the people that it would affect.
Cheers,
Oblox wrote:
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Specifically the post listing the rules for all stealth moves (including force cloak)
I always saw cloak as an escape, evasion and confusion tool. Unfortunately it turned into a tool by which offensive actions could be undertaken with no real penalty to the user. The difficulty is, how much do you let the player "get away with" while cloaked? Too much and you make the game on sided, too little and you make it into a pointless skill. I can understand why people would like some things not to change, such as healing and channelling, but don't forget that cloak could be used to keep a fight going indefinitely, by getting far enough from an opponent in orer to cloak, sit and regen force, mind, action, health.
I can see reasons for all the changes planned, except for the snare effect. I hope to God that it's not like the AI snare. This is twice as slowing as the carbineer snares, and when stacked causes a rather unpleasant self-rooting effect. Without the snare, I would probably agree with all the changes planned, as this brings the skill back to it's intended focus.
Oblox wrote:
I hate them changing cloak due to the dabblers but i didnt get powers for cloak.
I don't think it was due to dabblers entirely. You had people abusing base shut downs, looting in the DWB (unintended IMO), and BH's whining they can't kill every Jedi they run across. Even if it was Master Powers you'd still have people whine and the skill would still be under the nerf bat.
Cloak was a skill that separated a Jedi from everyone else IMO, now that it's getting nerfed the way of AI Jedi is looking more and more like a regular profession. I feel bad for people who took Powers and relied on Cloak as their defense lol. Why do I get the feeling their is going to be a lot of template changes to Defender very soon?
At least this will cut the whining on Jedi for a week or two.
WookieOgre wrote:
Oblox wrote:
I hate them changing cloak due to the dabblers but i didnt get powers for cloak.
I don't think it was due to dabblers entirely. You had people abusing base shut downs, looting in the DWB (unintended IMO), and BH's whining they can't kill every Jedi they run across. Even if it was Master Powers you'd still have people whine and the skill would still be under the nerf bat.Cloak was a skill that separated a Jedi from everyone else IMO, now that it's getting nerfed the way of AI Jedi is looking more and more like a regular profession. I feel bad for people who took Powers and relied on Cloak as their defense lol. Why do I get the feeling their is going to be a lot of template changes to Defender very soon?
At least this will cut the whining on Jedi for a week or two.
Honestly how many Mpowers are out there? More than previously but it was the 0400 dabblers i always heard about, they picked it up deliberatly to cloak gank in PVP, cloak loot **edit** or to escape BH.
Oblox wrote:
WookieOgre wrote:
Oblox wrote:
I hate them changing cloak due to the dabblers but i didnt get powers for cloak.
I don't think it was due to dabblers entirely. You had people abusing base shut downs, looting in the DWB (unintended IMO), and BH's whining they can't kill every Jedi they run across. Even if it was Master Powers you'd still have people whine and the skill would still be under the nerf bat.Cloak was a skill that separated a Jedi from everyone else IMO, now that it's getting nerfed the way of AI Jedi is looking more and more like a regular profession. I feel bad for people who took Powers and relied on Cloak as their defense lol. Why do I get the feeling their is going to be a lot of template changes to Defender very soon?
At least this will cut the whining on Jedi for a week or two.
Honestly how many Mpowers are out there? More than previously but it was the 0400 dabblers i always heard about, they picked it up deliberatly to cloak gank in PVP, cloak loot **edit** or to escape BH.
QFE
As I've said before, moving Cloak to MPowers now would remove most of the problems overnight. The potential for exploits would still exist, but very few hardcore PvP'ers would go for MPowers and end up with a comparitively gimped template.
Obviously the exploits like cloak-looting, DWB exploiting etc needs to be fixed - but the Devs could fix 75% of the problems overnight just by moving it.