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Seems to a big debate over PvP and Role Playing for the FRS and I hope they can find a balance to make everyone happy with it, becuase if the FRS fails IMO the game SWG will not be fare behind it. Whilenone of us know what it will be like what ever they do i hope it works!

Things I want to see would be :

New Jedi Enclaves : These should huge and very impressive to be in with dueling arenas in each of them for jedi to use to practice and or duel each other or even hold tournaments. Under gound is fine to stay out of sight but this is no reason they need to be so small and we should have a reason to go their unlike now whats the point? or even pre-cu?. An example would be like the Jedi Acadamy in Jedi Outcast I when you go back in it at the end of the game on Yavin that is huge and its all based around a dueling arena thats what I am talking about so 5-6 times the size they are now.

The Padawan / Master Relationship

I think it was "glizmo" somthing like thatthat had this set very well but this sytem could be great fun for both players and serve as a non-combat and combat way to get FRS points.

Dark and Light Jedi Factions

Again this had been said before but I think its very important for the game, for that matter I think MBH's and Smugglers should be able to join Jabba and Valarian Factions as they were not so much even envolved with the GCW unless they had a reason to be ( ie money )

PvE Quests from the Dark / Light Enclaves :

This game badly needs more content and we have many things that could be "fixed" added by doing this. The other "named" color crystals not in game could be put in by doing missions, Prems and Flawless Pealrs and Crystals can be added in a limited and controled way. ( a great way to add crystals caves ) Saber Schematics do nothing but give a new look no extra dmg or speed just a new unique look. CA's and other loot just like BH's can get by doing NPC missions quests.

PvP Quests Combat and non Combat quests :

Because I have a BH also I know how fair a BH fight is no out side help its 1 on 1 between two people and their is NO! other match up as well controled as this one in the game so...I am hoping the main way to get FRS points is based of this model but for Dark and Light Jedi factions and not BH vs Jedi. TheTEF is great once it starts thats it its beweet the 2 Jedi and thats it! to the deathor until one runs/gets away. You should get - points for fleeing though and limited points for forcing a jedi to run away from you. Other wise cloakers and enhancers willbecome the FOTM.

Example :

NPC in Light Jedi Enclave says "we have a list of Dark Jedi that are growing powerful and causing unrest we need you to confront this evil but it will not be easy" or Dark Jedi NPC"a young Light Padawan has grown strong in the force you must dispose of him quicky" ( somthing like that you get the point ) Then you get a list to pick "RANDOM" Jedi players and hunt them down using the same basic system the BH's have. You could add a Jedi console that holds this information and acts like a tracking droid with the radial menu and after "x" amount of time get the message telling what planet the jedi is on.The only diferance is the hunted jedi should get a system msg on his screen " you feel a distrubace in the force" when the attacker gets close and the other player or attacker should become attackable. In other words no first strike advatage these are Jedi + jedi dont need it.

The Padawan / Master Relationship could serve as the non-combat way of getting FRS points but I see no reason why they can come up with a few other ways to aid players, but this should limited IMO as most people do not play the game for this reason.

The top spots in each Jedi Enclave should be an NPC

Not aPC I thinkthis is common sence so people are not crying over that spot and each group works more together and can stop fighting each other for rank and start fighting the other faction! The light side can NOT have the ablity to kick people out of their rank I cant even beleave that was put it in the first place! if you loose it it should be becuase you kepp loosing fights or can protect aid your padawan! not becuase some other person feels he needs to be cool and kick you out simply becuase he feels like it.

I also think they need to come up with more classes of Jedi so every type of Jedican gain rank in the FRS

Lightside :

Jedi Master : The top spot in the game and can be any of the lower types ( end game but you can loose this spot

Jedi Sentinal : This player has been very succsessfulin the PvP combat missions and or helping his padawan(s)

Jedi Gaurdain : Fighters so they get FRS points through combat and some through helping aiding their padawan,bonus to Enhancer tree

Jedi Scholar : Teachers / Healers get a bouns to FRS points with helping their padawan and a bonus to the healing tree

Jedi Knight : The ability to aid another player ( padawan ) and take missions in the Enclave to advace.

Darkside :

Dark Jedi Master : The top spot in the game can and be any of the lower types ( end game but you can loose this spot )

Dark Jedi Sentinal : This player has been very succsessfulin the PvP combat missions and or helping his padawan(s)

Dark Jedi Gaurdain : Fighters so they get FRS points through combat anda bonus to thepowers tree

Dark Jedi Templer : Teachers of the dark sideget a bouns to FRS points with helping their padawan anda bonus to thepowers tree

Dark Jedi Knight : The ability to aid another player ( padawan ) and take missions in the Enclave to advace.

After being a knight for a given time and getting the requiered ( the hard way that we all hopethsi will be! ) FRS points you then would have to choose your path Gaurdian or Scholar Gaurdian or Templer.

The gaurdians get more FRS points with PvP combat and loose more with PvP combat, while they gain less through helping their padawan but loose less thorugh not beeing able to help their padawan.

The Scholar or Templer is the opposite gain more through helping their padawan and loosemorewhen not able to do so. They will gain less in combat but loose less as well.

This would provide more ways of advancement through the FRS the chalange would be to make it even and fair for both types! The Gaurdain spots may behard to keep becuase most would go this route but if your into PvP then you should not shy away from somthing like this.

just an idea the FRS is being done now so who knows what they will dobut the points is its possible to make everyone happy the only question is can SOE do it ? we shall see i am hoping they can.

Message Edited by xur-soma on 09-04-2005 11:31 AM

good ideas... which is why we'll never see them but saying that, FRS will be changed so perhaps the whole one person having control and being able to kick rank members will be dropped in the new system.

as for Mustaphar, cant be done because of the fact it's going be a purchased expansion... where is the DJ council now? I want to think Dathomir... which is probably where it belongs anyway

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xur-soma wrote:

Seems to a big debate over PvP and Role Playing for the FRS and I hope they can find a balance to make everyone happy with it, becuase if the FRS fails IMO the game SWG will not be fare behind it. Whilenone of us know what it will be like what ever they do i hope it works!

Things I want to see would be :

New Jedi Enclaves : These should huge and very impressive to be in with dueling arenas in each of them for jedi to use to practice and or duel each other or even hold tournaments. Under gound is fine to stay out of sight but this is no reason they need to be so small and we should have a reason to go their unlike now whats the point? or even pre-cu?.

Light Side on Yavin IV

Dark Side on Mustafar ( It just looks so Evil )

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Message Edited by DarkShadow1313 on 09-04-2005 09:03 AM

Message Edited by xur-soma on 09-04-2005 11:15 AM

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DarkShadow1313 wrote:

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xur-soma wrote:

Seems to a big debate over PvP and Role Playing for the FRS and I hope they can find a balance to make everyone happy with it, becuase if the FRS fails IMO the game SWG will not be fare behind it. Whilenone of us know what it will be like what ever they do i hope it works!

Things I want to see would be :

New Jedi Enclaves : These should huge and very impressive to be in with dueling arenas in each of them for jedi to use to practice and or duel each other or even hold tournaments. Under gound is fine to stay out of sight but this is no reason they need to be so small and we should have a reason to go their unlike now whats the point? or even pre-cu?.

Light Side on Yavin IV

Dark Side on Mustafar ( It just looks so Evil )

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The Enclaves already had dueling areas. The light Enclave was to the right before the stairs and the dark Enclave was right in the center. The Enclaves are quite huge you just need a specific rank to access it all.

Message Edited by DarkShadow1313 on 09-04-2005 09:03 AM

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Message Edited by xur-soma on 09-04-2005 11:20 AM

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xur-soma wrote:

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DarkShadow1313 wrote:

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xur-soma wrote:

Seems to a big debate over PvP and Role Playing for the FRS and I hope they can find a balance to make everyone happy with it, becuase if the FRS fails IMO the game SWG will not be fare behind it. Whilenone of us know what it will be like what ever they do i hope it works!

Things I want to see would be :

New Jedi Enclaves : These should huge and very impressive to be in with dueling arenas in each of them for jedi to use to practice and or duel each other or even hold tournaments. Under gound is fine to stay out of sight but this is no reason they need to be so small and we should have a reason to go their unlike now whats the point? or even pre-cu?.

Light Side on Yavin IV

Dark Side on Mustafar ( It just looks so Evil )

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The Enclaves already had dueling areas. The light Enclave was to the right before the stairs and the dark Enclave was right in the center. The Enclaves are quite huge you just need a specific rank to access it all.

Message Edited by DarkShadow1313 on 09-04-2005 09:03 AM

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I know I have seen both Enclaves and they both suck and are not very big or open! they are very limited and serve no real purpose. Have you ever played Jedi Outcast I? at the end of the game when you got back to yavin and go into the Jedi Acadamy that huge building with the very impressive ( and underground ) arena and then all the side parts are based around it. That is what I am talking about when I say huge! the ones they got now are not big and the arenas are a joke. the dark is better than the light one but still not impresive IMO It should be open so you can have lots of players in the bulding at one time.

Based onthe size of the current enclaves I think they should be 5 times the size the are now!

Message Edited by xur-soma on 09-04-2005 11:20 AM

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Man you said Jedi outcast... THIS is not Jedi outcast..

I can only hope they do not try to reinvent the WHOLE wheel.. because I have seen what that does...

I just want to wear my robe again and get my mods back on... Its worse when you had them and then they were taken away vs never had them before... trust me.

i think the current dark jedi enclave is the most impressive structure in the game

Syke -=Jedi master=-

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xur-soma wrote:

Seems to a big debate over PvP and Role Playing for the FRS and I hope they can find a balance to make everyone happy with it, becuase if the FRS fails IMO the game SWG will not be fare behind it. While none of us know what it will be like what ever they do i hope it works!

Things I want to see would be :

New Jedi Enclaves : These should huge and very impressive to be in with dueling arenas in each of them for jedi to use to practice and or duel each other or even hold tournaments. Under gound is fine to stay out of sight but this is no reason they need to be so small and we should have a reason to go their unlike now whats the point? or even pre-cu?. An example would be like the Jedi Acadamy in Jedi Outcast I when you go back in it at the end of the game on Yavin that is huge and its all based around a dueling arena thats what I am talking about so 5-6 times the size they are now.

The Padawan / Master Relationship

I think it was "glizmo" somthing like that that had this set very well but this sytem could be great fun for both players and serve as a non-combat and combat way to get FRS points.

Dark and Light Jedi Factions

Again this had been said before but I think its very important for the game, for that matter I think MBH's and Smugglers should be able to join Jabba and Valarian Factions as they were not so much even envolved with the GCW unless they had a reason to be ( ie money )

PvE Quests from the Dark / Light Enclaves :

This game badly needs more content and we have many things that could be "fixed" added by doing this. The other "named" color crystals not in game could be put in by doing missions, Prems and Flawless Pealrs and Crystals can be added in a limited and controled way. ( a great way to add crystals caves ) Saber Schematics do nothing but give a new look no extra dmg or speed just a new unique look. CA's and other loot just like BH's can get by doing NPC missions quests.

PvP Quests Combat and non Combat quests :

Because I have a BH also I know how fair a BH fight is no out side help its 1 on 1 between two people and their is NO! other match up as well controled as this one in the game so...I am hoping the main way to get FRS points is based of this model but for Dark and Light Jedi factions and not BH vs Jedi. The TEF is great once it starts thats it its beweet the 2 Jedi and thats it! to the death or until one runs/gets away. You should get - points for fleeing though and limited points for forcing a jedi to run away from you. Other wise cloakers and enhancers will become the FOTM.

Example :

NPC in Light Jedi Enclave says "we have a list of Dark Jedi that are growing powerful and causing unrest we need you to confront this evil but it will not be easy" or Dark Jedi NPC "a young Light Padawan has grown strong in the force you must dispose of him quicky" ( somthing like that you get the point ) Then you get a list to pick "RANDOM" Jedi players and hunt them down using the same basic system the BH's have. You could add a Jedi console that holds this information and acts like a tracking droid with the radial menu and after "x" amount of time get the message telling what planet the jedi is on. The only diferance is the hunted jedi should get a system msg on his screen " you feel a distrubace in the force" when the attacker gets close and the other player or attacker should become attackable. In other words no first strike advatage these are Jedi + jedi dont need it.

The Padawan / Master Relationship could serve as the non-combat way of getting FRS points but I see no reason why they can come up with a few other ways to aid players, but this should limited IMO as most people do not play the game for this reason.

The top spots in each Jedi Enclave should be an NPC

Not a PC I think this is common sence so people are not crying over that spot and each group works more together and can stop fighting each other for rank and start fighting the other faction! The light side can NOT have the ablity to kick people out of their rank I cant even beleave that was put it in the first place! if you loose it it should be becuase you kepp loosing fights or can protect aid your padawan! not becuase some other person feels he needs to be cool and kick you out simply becuase he feels like it.

I also think they need to come up with more classes of Jedi so every type of Jedi can gain rank in the FRS

Lightside :

Jedi Master : The top spot in the game and can be any of the lower types ( end game but you can loose this spot )

Jedi Sentinal : This player has been very succsessful in the PvP combat missions and or helping his padawan(s)

Jedi Gaurdain : Fighters so they get FRS points through combat and some through helping aiding their padawan, bonus to Enhancer tree

Jedi Scholar : Teachers / Healers get a bouns to FRS points with helping their padawan and a bonus to the healing tree

Jedi Knight : The ability to aid another player ( padawan ) and take missions in the Enclave to advace.

Darkside :

Dark Jedi Master : The top spot in the game can and be any of the lower types ( end game but you can loose this spot )

Dark Jedi Sentinal : This player has been very succsessful in the PvP combat missions and or helping his padawan(s)

Dark Jedi Gaurdain : Fighters so they get FRS points through combat and a bonus to the powers tree

Dark Jedi Templer : Teachers of the dark side get a bouns to FRS points with helping their padawan and a bonus to the powers tree

Dark Jedi Knight : The ability to aid another player ( padawan ) and take missions in the Enclave to advace.

After being a knight for a given time and getting the requiered ( the hard way that we all hope thsi will be! ) FRS points you then would have to choose your path Gaurdian or Scholar Gaurdian or Templer.

The gaurdians get more FRS points with PvP combat and loose more with PvP combat, while they gain less through helping their padawan but loose less thorugh not beeing able to help their padawan.

The Scholar or Templer is the opposite gain more through helping their padawan and loose more when not able to do so. They will gain less in combat but loose less as well.

This would provide more ways of advancement through the FRS the chalange would be to make it even and fair for both types! The Gaurdain spots may be hard to keep becuase most would go this route but if your into PvP then you should not shy away from somthing like this.

just an idea the FRS is being done now so who knows what they will do but the points is its possible to make everyone happy the only question is can SOE do it ? we shall see i am hoping they can.

Message Edited by xur-soma on 09-04-2005 11:31 AM

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