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Thread: A Vision of a New and Improved Force Ranking System (FRS) updated 08/23/2005
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EnFERn0
Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:45 am
#1
Great suggestions.
The way FRS is now. I will not enter it.
I don't think it's right running around mowing down normal players. It will destroy the game.
The more Jedi that stays away from FRS, the faster it will be changed.
/boicotFRS
The way FRS is now. I will not enter it.
I don't think it's right running around mowing down normal players. It will destroy the game.
The more Jedi that stays away from FRS, the faster it will be changed.
/boicotFRS
carledo
Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:59 am
#2
So where can I buy that game that you were posting off ?
I love these changes and would like to see them live.
Xaky
Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:50 am
#3
/sign
too bad we will probably see nothing of this in-game for the next, probably, 6month 
grzmo
Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:01 am
#4
The changes Glzmo proposes could really be game-saving changes. I hope Arjun forwards them to the devs in any form (even though they probably wouldn't listen).
monkeybash
Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:10 am
#5
Glzmo wrote:
The following isa vision ofaNew and ImprovedForce Ranking System (FRS), that will make the now boring and unrewarding system fun, rewarding and thus desirable to participate in.It will also address concerns of non-Jedi players.
It is no secret that the current FRS is not enjoyable by any players, Jedi and non-Jedi alike - even frustrating for most. Itis even on the verge of completely ruining the Player vs. Player and Galactic Civil Warportion of Star Wars Galaxies, especiallyfor non-Jedi players, just like the Holocron Profession Grinding Madness of late 2003/first half of 2004 did with other parts of the game. Many may not realize it yet, but it may be the single greatest problem this game si facing right now. Simply put, it has to change, and that's what my vision is about.
Enoughof the facts, here comes the grand vision ofa New and Improved Force Ranking System (FRS):
1.Two seperate FRS Jedi factions,Light Jediand Dark Jedi that are notconnected to neither the Galactic Empire nor the Rebel Alliance.
+ This willprevent Force Ranked Jedi from being forced to take part inthe Galactic Civil War
+ It will be more in accord with the Star Wars Universe
2.Members of FRS Dark and Light Jedi factions are permanently attackableonlybyeach other.
+ This will keep Jedi fighting other Jedi, like it was always supposed to be
3. Pure FRS Jedi faction members are not attackable by non-Jedi Knight Rebels, Imperials or Neutrals.
+ This will allow roleplayers and true Jedi to hide, which is not possible with the current perma-overt status.
+ It willpreventmost non-Jedifrom griefing Jedi
4. FRS Jedi cannot attack overts/coverts of Imperial, Rebel or Neutral faction.
+ This will stop the grief that overt playersexperience from constantly being mowed down by Jedi
+ It willreduce Jedi squads in cities looking for overts
+ It will keep Jedi from 'ruining PVP of other players', which is aserious complaint by the non-Jedi community
5.FRS Jedi can be attacked by Bounty Hunters with missions on them, the higher the Jedi's skill, the higher level the mission, the higher the payout and the higher the Investigation skill required.
+ Only high-level Bounty Hunters will be able to hunt high-level Jedi
+ Only low-level Bounty Hunters will be able to hunt low-level Jedi
6.FRS Jediwill not loose Jedi XP, only FRS XP.
+ This will make it possible to change the template down the road, once the Jedi is bored with his/her current template
7.If a Jedi decides to join aGalactic Civil War(GCW) faction like the Galactic Empire or the Rebel Alliance, he or shewillsuffer massiveJedi XPand Force Ranked XP loss for each death, perhaps even drop down to rank 0 of the FRS.
+ This will allow Jedi to participate in the GCW
+ Due to the great risk involved to choose a side in the GCW, only few if any Jedi will be doing this
+ Due to their rarity, Jedi involved in the GCW will be a pleasant sight
8.FRS Maintenance cost should be lowered and FRS XP gained forincapacitating a Jedi of the opposing side dramatically increased.
+ This would make it morepossible to gain ranks
+ There would only be a need to defeat a few of opposing Jedi a day, not tons
9.Very small amounts of FRS XP will also be gained by incapacitatingother same-factioned Jedi in friendly training duels, with a fixed limit of maximum FRS XP gained from training that can be reached a day.
+This would make training duels fun and a challenge with a small reward
+The maximum training XP cap would prevent exploiting this
10.There will be alternative, non-violentways to gain limited FRS XP each day (for light Jedi at least), that should bealmost enough tomaintain a lower-mid rank, like meditating, missions from an NPC in the enclave that can be solved in both a violent or non-violent manner (negotiations at disputes, for example or special versions of instanced dungeons like the Corvette for groups of Jedi down the road).
+ This will allow FRS Jedi to take a fun break from PVP to advance or keep their rank
11.Another way to gain FRS XP will be to train a Padawan. A Jedi Knight will get the ability to craft a Padawan braid. This braid will be traded to a lower-ranked Jedi. Usinga modifiedinterface used for marriage, thelower rankedmay now accept the braid to be assignedto theJedi Knightas a Padawan.Now thePadawan and Master hunting and training together will increase the Jedi XP output for both parties by an additional 20%. Also, the Master will gain 1% of the Jedi XP the Padawan gains while hunting together as FRS XP. In addition, for every skill theMaster trains his Padawan in, he willgetagood amount of FRS Experience.
The Master/Padawan relationship ends when the Padawan reaches Knight status on his own, the Master ends the relationship with a /releasepadawan command, the Padawan destroys his Padawan braid in the inventory or if the Padawankills the Master in a duel.
+ This will enforce the Master/Padawan relationship that is an essential part of Jedi in all Star Wars movies to date
+ It willbe a greatcontent and encouragementforroleplay
12.Jedi will have the ability to keep and actually wear all styles of Jedi Robes that they have everreceived in the FRS, even if they drop in rank or drop out of the FRS System altogether.
+ Thiswillmake itdesireable to reach every rank at least once.
+ It willgive Jedi that have put effort in the FRS something to show for
13.All visible modifiers from the robes should be moved to the Padawan box. Special hidden modifiers should bemoved to the rank boxes, if there are any.
+ Thiswill makeJedi robesall the same and thusnegate allreasons to notimplement section 12.
+ It will allow Jedi to wear other clothing without sacrificing anything
14.FRS Jedi will get other rewards that can be bought for FRS XP at a NPC Jedi Master,like tradable Jedi-specific furniture (Statues of famous Jedi, Holocrons, Books with tales of Jedi that can actually be read and contain an interesting short story each), housing (a 1-lot, no maintenance cost very small house placeable on all planets, even where you can't build now, looking like Yoda's hut), Clothing (Cloaks, hoods for the cloaks, rings, Jedi pendants that can actually be seen,that all give boosts to Jedi toughness or other Jedi-specific stats and can be worn over the robes), Special crystals (like the ones on Testcenter that are color/damage crystal hybrids), new Lightsaber hilt styles.
+ Rewards are always a good thing to keep people playing, especially if they are actually useful
+ It will provide great perks for collectors, roleplayers and powergamers alike
15. Jedi will keep their Knight, Guardian and Master boxes as well as titles, even if they drop in rank or exit the FRS.
+ Again, this will be a permanent reward for people who have put time and effort in achieving high ranks in the FRS
+ It will encourage people to aquire a high (if not thehighest)FRS rank at least once
+It is illogical to loose these boxes and titles
16.Being a Knight will give Jedi alarge boost inall Jedi skill modifiersacross the board,the samegoes forGuardian and Master.
+ This will make these boxes worth achieving
+It will reward people that put effort in becoming a Knight, Guardian or Master by making them noticeably better than a Padawan, or the respective lower Jedi rank, just as itis supposed to be.
Message Edited by Glzmo on 08-04-2004 03:49 AM
Superb Gimzo another great post just hope someone high up reads it........Do the devs even bother with these forums anymore?
Metalsaber
Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:12 am
#6
This is just want i would love to see and im not quite ready for the FRS. This sounds awesome. 5 stars indeed. If anyone from SOE happens to troll through this thread...This guy needs a job with your dev team. I can't believe his ideas haven't already been mentioned and why they were never thought about in the first place. Man if that happened, I could see me being a part of the SWG community a long time. I would venture to say that lots of people frustrated with the jedi system would return in mass.
daxamatic
Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:28 am
#8
taken from the original poster
"....Another way to gain FRS XP will be to train a Padawan...."
For someone that get a bill to play rather than a pay check to play - seems to be a reasonable request to revisit this jedi related game event.
Hello SOE - Lucas - Vader - somebody?
I don't want to rant but please take note...
We all do this in an informal way now among the jedi and somewhat with the AP system in the professions.... however there is not even the AP requirements at present.... not trying to make the movie the game or the accurate SW - rather what make sense and promotes "inter-playability and character interdepenance"......
And forall the other kids in my first grader's class - explain to them why furry small creatures and large smellier ones are being slaughtered by the light jedi in the thousands every day to get the next cool power rather than promote healing of others etc?
/sigh
Lamenter1313
Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:26 am
#10
/bump for a great idea. I'd actually join the FRS with this system in place. 
FIX FORCE POWERS
The-Deadman
Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:24 am
#11
very good way of doing the FRS system compared to what it is now
phaelia
Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:44 am
#13
*cheer* *flail* 
/sign /stamp /approve
Some will most likely never be implemented, but hopefully they will read and remember something from your list.
Thank you for taking the time to post this. 
- Phaelia
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