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Thread: Same 3-4 jed on these boards are causing by trouble by keep suggesting MENH is tobe nerfed.
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Opie76
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:34 am
#1
Enhancer Nerf Herders
Forum Handle: Freak88 , no jedi name.
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You guys had cloak adjusted and you believe its your duty to try to get a snare or other nerfed added to Stasis. It is no different than cuncussion shot. Putting a snare on it is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard of . ITs a defensive skill for the most part. Also there are not as many master enhancers as you would like to believe . Quit trying to ruin an already gimped profession
I guess the new motto for jed is "If my template is balanced, I'll be damned sure others get nerfed too". This is the wrong attitude to take. You guys that keep bringing this subject up are more than likely also the once also trying to bring it up on the BH boards too with yoru alts. All I see recently are nerf cries and whines, and maybe one or two positive ideas per day. Granted this is a whine itself, but it's one to get people to s.t.f.u
I'll give you that 45 sec might be a bit long and both smuggler and jedi should have it adjusted to 30sec. However, it was an intended Mezzing skill that was added by the DEVS for the CU. Quit thinking of skills in terms of their use for JEDI VS BH situations. Stasis has many other uses and this would make the skill utterly useless if you add a snare. By the way , MLS does not have a self imposed snare , and either does master healer. What are you going to cry for next ? "OH NO! HE USED TOTAL HEAL! HE MUST HAVE SNARED APPLIED"
-Ho'mer
Message Edited by Opie76 on 09-23-2005 01:40 AM
Message Edited by Opie76 on 09-23-2005 02:00 AM
MsNiL
Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:47 am
#3
Already happened. Got nerfed short after CU. ForceRun3 is dreadfully slow now compared to what it was pre-cu.
master_finesse wrote:
I want snare on force run.
cloudwalker1
Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:03 am
#4
MsNiL wrote:
Already happened. Got nerfed short after CU. ForceRun3 is dreadfully slow now compared to what it was pre-cu.
master_finesse wrote:
I want snare on force run.
thats not the nerf enhancer should expect to recieve. All professions recieved some kind of nerf after CU if you compare the moves to pre - cu
MsNiL
Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:19 am
#5
cloudwalker1 wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
Already happened. Got nerfed short after CU. ForceRun3 is dreadfully slow now compared to what it was pre-cu.
master_finesse wrote:
I want snare on force run.
thats not the nerf enhancer should expect to recieve. All professions recieved some kind of nerf after CU if you compare the moves to pre - cu
Nerf List, Enhancer Edition (only post-cu)
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Channel Force.............check (cooldown increased, and indirectly nerfed with the mindcost for heals)
Force Armor.................check (protection reduced from +45% to +28%)
Force Drain..................check (cooldown trippled)
Force Meditate.............check (must sit down to meditate)
Force Run....................check (severly reduced in speed and added 15 % action, ForceRun1 no longer available)
Force Shield................check (protection reduced from +45% to +28%)
Force Speed................check (reduced from 25% to 20%)
Force Suppression......check (Added mind/action cost)Force Wave.................check (Added mind/action cost)
Stasis...........................check (Added mind/action cost and 20sec "rage" cooldown)
Transfer Force.............check (cooldown trippled)
Leiowyn
Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:29 am
#6
MsNiL wrote:
cloudwalker1 wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
Already happened. Got nerfed short after CU. ForceRun3 is dreadfully slow now compared to what it was pre-cu.
master_finesse wrote:
I want snare on force run.
thats not the nerf enhancer should expect to recieve. All professions recieved some kind of nerf after CU if you compare the moves to pre - cu
Nerf List, Enhancer Edition (only post-cu)
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Channel Force.............check (cooldown increased, and indirectly nerfed with the mindcost for heals)
Force Armor.................check (protection reduced from +45% to +28%)
Force Drain..................check (cooldown trippled)
Force Meditate.............check (must sit down to meditate)
Force Run....................check (severly reduced in speed and added 15 % action, ForceRun1 no longer available)
Force Shield................check (protection reduced from +45% to +28%)
Force Speed................check (reduced from 25% to 20%)Force Suppression......check (Added mind/action cost)
Force Wave.................check (Added mind/action cost)
Stasis...........................check (Added mind/action cost and 20sec "rage" cooldown)
Transfer Force.............check (cooldown trippled)
Must remeber a balancing of skills is different from a nerf
MsNiL
Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:32 am
#7
Leiowyn wrote:
Must remeber a balancing of skills is different from a nerf
Easy. The difference is if you have it self or not.
If you do, it's a nerf.
If you dont, it's balance.
MX13
Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:47 am
#8
MsNiL wrote:
Leiowyn wrote:
Must remeber a balancing of skills is different from a nerf
Easy. The difference is if you have it self or not.
If you do, it's a nerf.
If you dont, it's balance.
A Balance: A Possiblybenefitial change.
A Nerf: An Unnecessary change.
I don't want to see any of us Jedinerfed, we've already had every decent skill made almost useless, but if WE don't start standing up to the Dev's NOW on these they will continue and Enhancer is next. I've been fighting this Cloak Snare (not the other changes) because it's a punishment, not a balance. Enhancers need to step up now and say enough is enough or Stasis is next. Read the BH forums. Their list is Cloak, Stasis then FR. Fight the Cloak Snare, be vocal, and at the very least they'll think twice.
Narut0
Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:50 am
#9
lmfaoRoFlOMFGLOL
S-T-F-U
go nerf hawtpants they reveal to much flesh.
how exsactly are you going to nerf a skill that dose exsctly what it says on the tin?
Stasis just dose that and if you attack that player it breaks unlike paralise when a MCM can inject a paralised player full o poisons and debuffs.
i hate it when people don't think about stuff.
umm oh and forcearmor is like a PSG now? only 20% mitigation WHAT A CROCK O SH!T.
S-T-F-U
go nerf hawtpants they reveal to much flesh.
how exsactly are you going to nerf a skill that dose exsctly what it says on the tin?
Stasis just dose that and if you attack that player it breaks unlike paralise when a MCM can inject a paralised player full o poisons and debuffs.
i hate it when people don't think about stuff.
umm oh and forcearmor is like a PSG now? only 20% mitigation WHAT A CROCK O SH!T.
Message Edited by Narut0 on 09-23-2005 02:52 PM
SayKin
Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:51 am
#10
There has been alot of uneccessary changes to Jedi, everyone agree on that?
MX13
Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:59 am
#11
SayKin wrote:
There has been alot of uneccessary changes to Jedi, everyone agree on that?
/Agree
The 3 big ones for me:
- The Force Cost for Sabers. What does swinging a Saber have to do with Force? Grevious did, was he a Jedi?
- The AI Snare. They increased the FC, and that was enough.
- The PROPOSED Cloak Snare. All of the other fixes took care of the issues, and this does nothing for Jedi using Cloak as an escape.
furlock1
Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:59 am
#12
I agree with that soon we will be the weakest combat profession to the shegrin of the Bh's. Either they do some major work too make us survivable or I am just going to leave I am tired of the games played with the developers, nor am going to play such games with them. I have heard that D&D is coming soon.
MsNiL
Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:01 am
#13
We can track back in history on all nerfs done to Jedi and find at least someone to agree that it's for Balance Reasons.
MX13 wrote:
A Balance: A Possiblybenefitial change.
A Nerf: An Unnecessary change.
I don't want to see any of us Jedinerfed, we've already had every decent skill made almost useless, but if WE don't start standing up to the Dev's NOW on these they will continue and Enhancer is next. I've been fighting this Cloak Snare (not the other changes) because it's a punishment, not a balance. Enhancers need to step up now and say enough is enough or Stasis is next. Read the BH forums. Their list is Cloak, Stasis then FR. Fight the Cloak Snare, be vocal, and at the very least they'll think twice.
ForceRun is nerfed. It's awful and redundant, and have been like that since the last nerf. Nobody said anything then.
Stasis have been nerfed twice since the CU already. I expect it to be nerfed again since everything in Enhancer is nerfed over and over again.
How many powers have Force Wielder had nerfed so far post-cu? One?
Enhancer is so nerfed to pieces that I do not have the strength to discuss it anymore.
The only thing we have is to run away, which offers no experience, no loot, nothing.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 09-23-2005 04:02 PM
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