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Thread: Same 3-4 jed on these boards are causing by trouble by keep suggesting MENH is tobe nerfed.
MsNiL wrote:
We can track back in history on all nerfs done to Jedi and find at least someone to agree that it's for Balance Reasons.
MX13 wrote:
A Balance: A Possiblybenefitial change.
A Nerf: An Unnecessary change.
I don't want to see any of us Jedinerfed, we've already had every decent skill made almost useless, but if WE don't start standing up to the Dev's NOW on these they will continue and Enhancer is next. I've been fighting this Cloak Snare (not the other changes) because it's a punishment, not a balance. Enhancers need to step up now and say enough is enough or Stasis is next. Read the BH forums. Their list is Cloak, Stasis then FR. Fight the Cloak Snare, be vocal, and at the very least they'll think twice.
ForceRun is nerfed. It's awful and redundant, and have been like that since the last nerf. Nobody said anything then.
Stasis have been nerfed twice since the CU already. I expect it to be nerfed again since everything in Enhancer is nerfed over and over again.
How many powers have Force Wielder had nerfed so far post-cu? One?
Enhancer is so nerfed to pieces that I do not have the strength to discuss it anymore.
The only thing we have is to run away, which offers no experience, no loot, nothing.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 09-23-2005 04:02 PM
yet enhancer offers more protection on par then powers offers damage. with one move u can mitigate all of our attacks(forceshield) with absorb or refelct you can increase your force or damage us. with Force armor you have the ability to mitgate even more damage(yes some power attacks still get mitigated by armor)
Enhancer is still more useful then master powers. The reason there are more master powers then master enhancersis that the only attack worth anything is in the master box(choke). But if you remember there are more people dabbling in enhancer then in powers as enhancer has more USEFUL skills
MsNiL wrote:
Force Meditate.............check (must sit down to meditate)
Leave Stasis be, it has very specific and hardly game breaking uses.
The Devs added a *snare* to Avoid Incapacitation, and that made sense in the "this is my last stand" kind of Alamo response.
Snare on a Cloaked person doesn't make sense, but perhaps having Cloak break on Burst Run or Force Run would. In a manner of speaking, you want to be running silently as possible to stay hidden, adding on other flashy effects would be a bad idea.
We absolutely do not need to be feeding one another the Nerf monster.
FWIW, my current skillset: MDef 2010 Heal 1000 Enh 0322 LS
cloudwalker1 wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
We can track back in history on all nerfs done to Jedi and find at least someone to agree that it's for Balance Reasons.
MX13 wrote:
A Balance: A Possibly benefitial change.
A Nerf: An Unnecessary change.I don't want to see any of us Jedi nerfed, we've already had every decent skill made almost useless, but if WE don't start standing up to the Dev's NOW on these they will continue and Enhancer is next. I've been fighting this Cloak Snare (not the other changes) because it's a punishment, not a balance. Enhancers need to step up now and say enough is enough or Stasis is next. Read the BH forums. Their list is Cloak, Stasis then FR. Fight the Cloak Snare, be vocal, and at the very least they'll think twice.
ForceRun is nerfed. It's awful and redundant, and have been like that since the last nerf. Nobody said anything then.Stasis have been nerfed twice since the CU already. I expect it to be nerfed again since everything in Enhancer is nerfed over and over again.How many powers have Force Wielder had nerfed so far post-cu? One?Enhancer is so nerfed to pieces that I do not have the strength to discuss it anymore.The only thing we have is to run away, which offers no experience, no loot, nothing.Message Edited by MsNiL on 09-23-2005 04:02 PM
yet enhancer offers more protection on par then powers offers damage. with one move u can mitigate all of our attacks(forceshield) with absorb or refelct you can increase your force or damage us. with Force armor you have the ability to mitgate even more damage(yes some power attacks still get mitigated by armor)
Enhancer is still more useful then master powers. The reason there are more master powers then master enhancers is that the only attack worth anything is in the master box(choke). But if you remember there are more people dabbling in enhancer then in powers as enhancer has more USEFUL skills
I dunno...quite a few people are dabbling in Powers for cloak and cloak alone.
jonstraf wrote:
cloudwalker1 wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
We can track back in history on all nerfs done to Jedi and find at least someone to agree that it's for Balance Reasons.
MX13 wrote:
A Balance: A Possibly benefitial change.
A Nerf: An Unnecessary change.
I don't want to see any of us Jedi nerfed, we've already had every decent skill made almost useless, but if WE don't start standing up to the Dev's NOW on these they will continue and Enhancer is next. I've been fighting this Cloak Snare (not the other changes) because it's a punishment, not a balance. Enhancers need to step up now and say enough is enough or Stasis is next. Read the BH forums. Their list is Cloak, Stasis then FR. Fight the Cloak Snare, be vocal, and at the very least they'll think twice.
ForceRun is nerfed. It's awful and redundant, and have been like that since the last nerf. Nobody said anything then.
Stasis have been nerfed twice since the CU already. I expect it to be nerfed again since everything in Enhancer is nerfed over and over again.
How many powers have Force Wielder had nerfed so far post-cu? One?
Enhancer is so nerfed to pieces that I do not have the strength to discuss it anymore.
The only thing we have is to run away, which offers no experience, no loot, nothing.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 09-23-2005 04:02 PM
yet enhancer offers more protection on par then powers offers damage. with one move u can mitigate all of our attacks(forceshield) with absorb or refelct you can increase your force or damage us. with Force armor you have the ability to mitgate even more damage(yes some power attacks still get mitigated by armor)
Enhancer is still more useful then master powers. The reason there are more master powers then master enhancers is that the only attack worth anything is in the master box(choke). But if you remember there are more people dabbling in enhancer then in powers as enhancer has more USEFUL skills
I dunno...quite a few people are dabbling in Powers for cloak and cloak alone.
Its a fact when they released the first astrromech stats which were who had the novice box in any discipline powers was the lowest
MsNiL wrote:
Leiowyn wrote:
Must remeber a balancing of skills is different from a nerf
Easy. The difference is if you have it self or not.
If you do, it's a nerf.
If you dont, it's balance.
That's bs.
Players loose credibility when whinning about fixes which remove their abilities to cheat, exploit or surpass the system. Anything that prevents anything remotely close to an "I Win" button give all th ebrats kiniption fits.
I use Enhancer and even though some ablities were fixed that worse thing done was adding action and mind costs.
What's worse is Lightsaber attacks have a mind cost where as no other attackSkill shares this penalty.
cloudwalker1 wrote:
jonstraf wrote:
cloudwalker1 wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
We can track back in history on all nerfs done to Jedi and find at least someone to agree that it's for Balance Reasons.
MX13 wrote:
A Balance: A Possibly benefitial change.
A Nerf: An Unnecessary change.I don't want to see any of us Jedi nerfed, we've already had every decent skill made almost useless, but if WE don't start standing up to the Dev's NOW on these they will continue and Enhancer is next. I've been fighting this Cloak Snare (not the other changes) because it's a punishment, not a balance. Enhancers need to step up now and say enough is enough or Stasis is next. Read the BH forums. Their list is Cloak, Stasis then FR. Fight the Cloak Snare, be vocal, and at the very least they'll think twice.
ForceRun is nerfed. It's awful and redundant, and have been like that since the last nerf. Nobody said anything then.Stasis have been nerfed twice since the CU already. I expect it to be nerfed again since everything in Enhancer is nerfed over and over again.How many powers have Force Wielder had nerfed so far post-cu? One?Enhancer is so nerfed to pieces that I do not have the strength to discuss it anymore.The only thing we have is to run away, which offers no experience, no loot, nothing.Message Edited by MsNiL on 09-23-2005 04:02 PM
yet enhancer offers more protection on par then powers offers damage. with one move u can mitigate all of our attacks(forceshield) with absorb or refelct you can increase your force or damage us. with Force armor you have the ability to mitgate even more damage(yes some power attacks still get mitigated by armor)
Enhancer is still more useful then master powers. The reason there are more master powers then master enhancers is that the only attack worth anything is in the master box(choke). But if you remember there are more people dabbling in enhancer then in powers as enhancer has more USEFUL skills
I dunno...quite a few people are dabbling in Powers for cloak and cloak alone.
Its a fact when they released the first astrromech stats which were who had the novice box in any discipline powers was the lowest
Well, not many players feel the can survive without a skill such as channel force. Considering, if you do not have enhancer and you are grinding, if you end up with about 50% force after the lair, you would have to wait a very very long time to just get high enough to feel you can do the next lair without having to worry if a BH comes. Now, obviously more people will go the enhancer dabbling route than the cloak route but that still doesn't mean that many people don't dabble in powers for cloak. Because, a lot do. I can see most dabblers in enhancer either going for Force Armor (if they don't have a lot of innate armor from defender) or going for Channel force.
jonstraf wrote:
cloudwalker1 wrote:
jonstraf wrote:
cloudwalker1 wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
We can track back in history on all nerfs done to Jedi and find at least someone to agree that it's for Balance Reasons.
MX13 wrote:
A Balance: A Possibly benefitial change.
A Nerf: An Unnecessary change.
I don't want to see any of us Jedi nerfed, we've already had every decent skill made almost useless, but if WE don't start standing up to the Dev's NOW on these they will continue and Enhancer is next. I've been fighting this Cloak Snare (not the other changes) because it's a punishment, not a balance. Enhancers need to step up now and say enough is enough or Stasis is next. Read the BH forums. Their list is Cloak, Stasis then FR. Fight the Cloak Snare, be vocal, and at the very least they'll think twice.
ForceRun is nerfed. It's awful and redundant, and have been like that since the last nerf. Nobody said anything then.
Stasis have been nerfed twice since the CU already. I expect it to be nerfed again since everything in Enhancer is nerfed over and over again.
How many powers have Force Wielder had nerfed so far post-cu? One?
Enhancer is so nerfed to pieces that I do not have the strength to discuss it anymore.
The only thing we have is to run away, which offers no experience, no loot, nothing.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 09-23-2005 04:02 PM
yet enhancer offers more protection on par then powers offers damage. with one move u can mitigate all of our attacks(forceshield) with absorb or refelct you can increase your force or damage us. with Force armor you have the ability to mitgate even more damage(yes some power attacks still get mitigated by armor)
Enhancer is still more useful then master powers. The reason there are more master powers then master enhancers is that the only attack worth anything is in the master box(choke). But if you remember there are more people dabbling in enhancer then in powers as enhancer has more USEFUL skills
I dunno...quite a few people are dabbling in Powers for cloak and cloak alone.
Its a fact when they released the first astrromech stats which were who had the novice box in any discipline powers was the lowest
Well, not many players feel the can survive without a skill such as channel force. Considering, if you do not have enhancer and you are grinding, if you end up with about 50% force after the lair, you would have to wait a very very long time to just get high enough to feel you can do the next lair without having to worry if a BH comes. Now, obviously more people will go the enhancer dabbling route than the cloak route but that still doesn't mean that many people don't dabble in powers for cloak. Because, a lot do. I can see most dabblers in enhancer either going for Force Armor (if they don't have a lot of innate armor from defender) or going for Channel force.
Thats what i said Enhancer more useful then powers to dabble in
cloak - the only useful skill for a dabbler(anyother attack suffers from a massive loss to accuracy which is spread out between all 4 branches
in the enhancer box for dabblers
Force armor
Forcechannel/meditate
force run/root
Now also if you pick up these skills you will also gain force sheild/force reflect/force absorb. All these skill s counter just powers attacks making powers damage pitiful(defender also makes powers damage so low due to a combination of armor/ranged(melee) defense/force defense). So even though according to MsNil enhancer has been nerfed to death the profession on a whole is better then powers
enhancers defenses > powers damage
If you are Master Powers you have either Defender or Force Armor.
cloudwalker1 wrote:
yet enhancer offers more protection on par then powers offers damage. with one move u can mitigate all of our attacks(forceshield) with absorb or refelct you can increase your force or damage us. with Force armor you have the ability to mitgate even more damage(yes some power attacks still get mitigated by armor)
Enhancer is still more useful then master powers. The reason there are more master powers then master enhancersis that the only attack worth anything is in the master box(choke). But if you remember there are more people dabbling in enhancer then in powers as enhancer has more USEFUL skills
No, that's the truth. I have heard people labeling all the groundbreaking nerfs I had to take as "balance fixes". I was awful before the nerfs and now I am completely redundant.
mindspat wrote:
That's bs.
Players loose credibility when whinning about fixes which remove their abilities to cheat, exploit or surpass the system. Anything that prevents anything remotely close to an "I Win" button give all th ebrats kiniption fits.
I use Enhancer and even though some ablities were fixed that worse thing done was adding action and mind costs.
What's worse is Lightsaber attacks have a mind cost where as no other attackSkill shares this penalty.
cloudwalker1 wrote:
Force armor
Forcechannel/meditate
force run/root