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Thread: Cloak Snare Likely To Be Just As Bad As Avoid Incap Snare, says Bac
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Drazharr
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:28 am
#1
And here's the link:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1216782
So, for all those basing their arguments on the premise that the cloak nerf cannot be as bad as the Avoid Incap nerf, sorry.
This will make cloak useless, folks. Case closed - unless the devs change their minds.
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-19-2005 12:30 PM
antares_Kauri
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:38 am
#2
Well, it's likely it would be the same, but really Bac didn't say it would be just as bad. You're assuming and putting words in his mouth.
antares
antares
Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 09-19-2005 09:38 AM
KRAKEN666
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:46 am
#3
biacaccia said this about cloak nerf...
6. A snare is being added just like it was to AI so that Cloak is no longer and escapse tool. The Devs first classified it to be a tool for "First Strike" ability on implementation.
A first strike capability? you got to be kidding....99% of all users use this for one thing....to escape a bh. i am so sick and tired of the devs finding new ways to gimp us for the bh. Why dont they just get it overwith and say the bh's first shot is a 30 minute root? ok all new padawans....been nice knowing you because now your only means of getting away is gone. Everyone in the jedi community is now shaking their heads at the devs and saying....what are you smoking?
trajen2
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:49 am
#4
KRAKEN666 wrote:
biacaccia said this about cloak nerf...
6. A snare is being added just like it was to AI so that Cloak is no longer and escapse tool. The Devs first classified it to be a tool for "First Strike" ability on implementation.
A first strike capability? you got to be kidding....99% of all users use this for one thing....to escape a bh. i am so sick and tired of the devs finding new ways to gimp us for the bh. Why dont they just get it overwith and say the bh's first shot is a 30 minute root? ok all new padawans....been nice knowing you because now your only means of getting away is gone. Everyone in the jedi community is now shaking their heads at the devs and saying....what are you smoking?
based on experience, "nerfs" are never as bad as the community thinks they will be. . .
Any publish that heavily effects jedi always gets this board in an uproar. . .only to find that once the publish hits, its not so bad. . .
Drazharr
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:54 am
#5
Based on my experience with this game, I have exactly the opposite opinion.
trajen2 wrote:
KRAKEN666 wrote:
biacaccia said this about cloak nerf...
6. A snare is being added just like it was to AI so that Cloak is no longer and escapse tool. The Devs first classified it to be a tool for "First Strike" ability on implementation.
A first strike capability? you got to be kidding....99% of all users use this for one thing....to escape a bh. i am so sick and tired of the devs finding new ways to gimp us for the bh. Why dont they just get it overwith and say the bh's first shot is a 30 minute root? ok all new padawans....been nice knowing you because now your only means of getting away is gone. Everyone in the jedi community is now shaking their heads at the devs and saying....what are you smoking?
based on experience, "nerfs" are never as bad as the community thinks they will be. . .
Any publish that heavily effects jedi always gets this board in an uproar. . .only to find that once the publish hits, its not so bad. . .
Drazharr
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:55 am
#6
antares_Kauri wrote:
Well, it's likely it would be the same, but really Bac didn't say it would be just as bad. You're assuming and putting words in his mouth.
antares
Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 09-19-2005 09:38 AM
Lol, are you parsing your words like Bill Clinton? "Would be the same" & "just as bad." Sounds like I said it just right.
KRAKEN666
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:55 am
#7
trajen2, then explain to me how this doesnt effect every powers jedi and every half templated jedi that use it for strictly defense. I know. As i ground my xp out i used cloak purely to get away from bh. After i fully templated i got rid of it. This is nothing more than where BH complain so much they got their wish and are using young jedi as a scape goat to get it pushed through. You will see alot of new jedi quit over this one because they dont have enough force to keep it running and going to a terminal is now a mute point. BH can still track them so all this is doing is using up the little force the paddies have to make them an even easier kill for BH.
What half templated jedi is going to "First strike" anyone? Only a suicidal jedi would. Does this mean we are getting first strike on bh? I doubt it. Who would we first strike? Nobody....cant duel cloaked, cant cloak aroundanyone,since we cant use terminals cloaked wouldnt do any good flying in. So, the devs are pretty much saying....take a shuttle to a neihboring town, ride to the other town, cloak outside, come into town, then first strike someone....seems like alot of work just to go through to get the first punch.
Message Edited by KRAKEN666 on 09-19-2005 10:01 AM
antares_Kauri
Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:00 am
#8
Drazharr wrote:
antares_Kauri wrote:
Well, it's likely it would be the same, but really Bac didn't say it would be just as bad. You're assuming and putting words in his mouth.
antaresMessage Edited by antares_Kauri on 09-19-2005 09:38 AM
Lol, are you parsing your words like Bill Clinton? "Would be the same" & "just as bad." Sounds like I said it just right.
No. Bac never said what you're saying he did. He did say: "A snare is being added just like it was to AI so that Cloak is no longer and escapse tool". They added a snare to stop AI from being an escape tool, they are adding a snare to cloak to stop it from being an escape tool. Nowhere does Bac say anything about it being the same strength.
Though, it's likely to be the same, you're assuming and putting words in his mouth that he never said. Not only that, you're posting it everywhere.
antares
Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 09-19-2005 10:01 AM
trajen2
Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:00 am
#9
KRAKEN666 wrote:
trajen2, then explain to me how this doesnt effect every powers jedi and every half templated jedi that use it for strictly defense. I know. As i ground my xp out i used cloak purely to get away from bh. After i fully templated i got rid of it. This is nothing more than where BH complain so much they got their wish and are using young jedi as a scape goat to get it pushed through. You will see alot of new jedi quit over this one because they dont have enough force to keep it running and going to a terminal is now a mute point. BH can still track them so all this is doing is using up the little force the paddies have to make them an even easier kill for BH.
I must have been too vague...
My point was that his had NOT been pushed live nor tested. No one know for sure what will happen so just realize that you cannot judge the outcome until you test it yourself.
See some of my other posts . . if it goes through as stated, then it is a serious 'nerf'; adding a snare to cloak doesnt make sense. It makes sense for a ranger who needs to go slow in order to be 'stealthy' but a cloaked jedi "clouding the minds" of others should be able to run if he wants to... Ido NOT supportnerfs (unless its to CM) my point was that you need not jump to conclusions b/c too often your own conclusions are worse then the truth
Tarjan33
Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:03 am
#10
Thats nice so when we engage cloak we will not be able to move do that mean we have to cloak then stand still and hope a BH comes (to get first strike)
The mand One
Drazharr
Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:05 am
#11
"Just like it was" sounds like "the same" to me and to most other folks, lol.
antares_Kauri wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
antares_Kauri wrote:
Well, it's likely it would be the same, but really Bac didn't say it would be just as bad. You're assuming and putting words in his mouth.
antares
Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 09-19-2005 09:38 AM
Lol, are you parsing your words like Bill Clinton? "Would be the same" & "just as bad." Sounds like I said it just right.
No. Bac never said what you're saying he did. He did say: "A snare is being added just like it was to AI so that Cloak is no longer and escapse tool". They added a snare to stop AI from being an escape tool, they are adding a snare to cloak to stop it from being an escape tool. Nowhere does Bac say anything about it being the same strength.
Though, it's likely to be the same, you're assuming and putting words in his mouth that he never said. Not only that, you're posting it everywhere.
antares
Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 09-19-2005 10:01 AM
antares_Kauri
Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:08 am
#12
Drazharr wrote:
"Just like it was" sounds like "the same" to me and to most other folks,
Except that the phrase is not "the snare will be just like it was for AI", it's "being added just like it was". The similarity is in the addition, not the type of snare. Look, you're obviously wanting to see what you want. I'm saying, yeah, it's likely to be the same in my opinion. But Bac simply did not say it would be the same strength of snare at all. Now, maybe English isn't your first language, so that would be understandable.
antares
dreamdealer
Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:09 am
#13
Drazharr wrote:
Based on my experience with this game, I have exactly the opposite opinion.
trajen2 wrote:
KRAKEN666 wrote:
biacaccia said this about cloak nerf...
6. A snare is being added just like it was to AI so that Cloak is no longer and escapse tool. The Devs first classified it to be a tool for "First Strike" ability on implementation.
A first strike capability? you got to be kidding....99% of all users use this for one thing....to escape a bh. i am so sick and tired of the devs finding new ways to gimp us for the bh. Why dont they just get it overwith and say the bh's first shot is a 30 minute root? ok all new padawans....been nice knowing you because now your only means of getting away is gone. Everyone in the jedi community is now shaking their heads at the devs and saying....what are you smoking?
based on experience, "nerfs" are never as bad as the community thinks they will be. . .
Any publish that heavily effects jedi always gets this board in an uproar. . .only to find that once the publish hits, its not so bad. . .
Have to agree there, I could argue this case for weeks.. but really don't have the time.
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