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Thread: MDefender or MLS

trajen2
Wed May 25, 2005 9:42 am
#1

Defender is cool and all...makes it easy to not die but I am torn betweenMLS and MDef. CurrentlyI am LS0404 / MDef / Healer 4000 / Enh 0002 / nPowers and wonder if it wouldnt be better to do MLS / Def 0044 / Healer 4000 / Enh 0002. I would get hit harder but the great 1500pt heals and infusion should counter that...


any insight?






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Calista_SWG
Wed May 25, 2005 9:48 am
#2

I was torn like you so I went MLS, MDefender, Healer 3000, and Enhancer 0002 ... and am having a blast with this template. The extra 500 healing isn't necessary cause you don't have to heal often. My 2 cents.


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jcarlson34
Wed May 25, 2005 9:52 am
#3






trajen2 wrote:

Defender is cool and all...makes it easy to not die but I am torn betweenMLS and MDef. CurrentlyI am LS0404 / MDef / Healer 4000 / Enh 0002 / nPowers and wonder if it wouldnt be better to do MLS / Def 0044 / Healer 4000 / Enh 0002. I would get hit harder but the great 1500pt heals and infusion should counter that...


any insight?






Go Master LS becase there is more of a chance the devs will continue to mess with LS values like they did with the action costs the other daythan mess with Defender stats. Plus Avoid Incap is nice, but 800 force or so to use it... hmm who has that around the end of the battle? We need the DPS raised and I have a feeling that LS gets tweaked til the devs get their balance. I dont want to miss out on crafting the best LS if that happens. Anyone without MLS will be left in a lurch. Just my opinion tho. Drop MLS at your own risk..




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JediJokka
Wed May 25, 2005 9:52 am
#4

I just did a similar Template as Calista. Master Defender/Master Sabers but with 2000 Healer and 0003 Enhancer...Due to the "DRAIN" wars going on you need it to survive at the moment...once that gets fixed (if it will) then i will go 3000 healer and 0002 enhancer as well. Calista is right with this temp you don't need much healing cuase you won't be taking on much dmg and you will be dealing a lot of dmg in return.



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JavaHulk
Wed May 25, 2005 10:25 am
#5

MDef/0404LS/4040Heal/2003 enh.


Why this over the FOTM?


Sap, force run 1, force speed 1, root, shock


what do I lose? Nothing, go ahead and spam 3x more specials than me with MLS, your action will fall so fast with sap on its not even funny


The name of the game is staying power now, not damage output.




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BDragon
Wed May 25, 2005 10:34 am
#6

I must be the only Knight without drain, its gonna be soooooo fun when FRS comes back



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Calista_SWG
Wed May 25, 2005 10:34 am
#7






JavaHulk wrote:

MDef/0404LS/4040Heal/2003 enh.


Why this over the FOTM?


Sap, force run 1, force speed 1, root, shock


what do I lose? Nothing, go ahead and spam 3x more specials than me with MLS, your action will fall so fast with sap on its not even funny


The name of the game is staying power now, not damage output.






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Croakie
Wed May 25, 2005 5:22 pm
#8

I likewise am torn between the fotm and master def/sabers with either 0003 enh and 2000 healer or 2003 enh and novice healer. The only thing keeping me from either of these is not knowing what to do with kiting BH if I go 0003 enh or whether novice healer is enough if I go 2003 enhancer.
MasterSheep
Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:15 pm
#9






KJFett3 wrote:

If you are not going Master Enhancer, then the most you want in Enh is 3402. The middle of the road would be 3002 and the least would be 2000 or 0002. 4004 gives you FR2...not as fast as FR3 to get out and has a dmg reduction which is bad compared to FR1. Then there is the meditate. Sit down and use channel. Meditate is a waste....a laugh.


thats my opinion as a MEnh.







im 4403 enhancer - took the FR2 box for the extended root - VERY useful vs the BH that you want to get to stay still.. (only a 10 sec period he can run during before you can root him again) - and xxx3 because i had 4 SP left over in my template so took that box for the regen



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MasterSheep
Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:17 pm
#10






MasterMith wrote:





Kurtisclip wrote:
You could try LS 0444, Mdef, Enhance 3002, and Heal 4000.
or
MLS, 2 branches in Defender, heal 4000, and enhance 3402
or
MLS, Def 0444, heal 4000, enhance 3002

I took the first template myself and rarely have any trouble beating anyone in PVP or PVE. Unless MLS is going to be improved, I havn't really seen the need for it as long as your able to get some accuracy attachments.





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a little gen melee accy and area attacks..



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KJFett3
Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:35 pm
#11






MasterSheep wrote:





KJFett3 wrote:

If you are not going Master Enhancer, then the most you want in Enh is 3402. The middle of the road would be 3002 and the least would be 2000 or 0002. 4004 gives you FR2...not as fast as FR3 to get out and has a dmg reduction which is bad compared to FR1. Then there is the meditate. Sit down and use channel. Meditate is a waste....a laugh.


thats my opinion as a MEnh.







im 4403 enhancer - took the FR2 box for the extended root - VERY useful vs the BH that you want to get to stay still.. (only a 10 sec period he can run during before you can root him again) - and xxx3 because i had 4 SP left over in my template so took that box for the regen




Extended root in 4xxx? There is force suppression at 2xxx and force wave at xxx1 and Improved Force wave at xxx3. Kodan's prof calculator does not show an Improved force suppression at 4xxx either. Even if there were, a bit more root would in no way be better than having FR1 with damage over FR2 without. At least not in my opinion.



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Don_T_Shoot
Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:50 pm
#12

Enhancer 4xxx has Improved Supression. Check the in-game skill sheet. It's tempting to have a better root, but you are right, FR2 seems like it would do you more harm than good.








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Philosofikal
Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:03 pm
#13

is force armorgood to combine with 4x4x in defender for defenses? So I wuld have MLS/ Def 4x4x/ Enhancer 34x2/Healer 4xxx. How's that for defenses for pve and pvp? And should be good speed/accuracy.



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