Jedi Archive
Thread: Want to end the BH vs Jedi hate?
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wildcat84
Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:15 pm
#1
I am all for keeping XP loss if something is added into the system to:
1. Reward a Jedi for a succesful kill of a BH (such as an xp/credit reward, or perhaps the ability to loot their body for a high end loot item (not the player's posessions, but similar to the "Boss" BH mark loot).
2. Punish a BH for a defeat, so that they too have something to lose. The best suggestion I've seen anyone make is a "prestige point" system similar to deep space. A MBH must spend so many points to take a PC mission. He is essentially gambling these points: If he succeeds, he gets double the points back, If he fails, he loses double the number of them. If he loses enough he must grind NPC missions to get enough to take another PC mission, and his points can go negative (and put himself on the terms, as Jabba can be quite angry).
The system as it is gives us no incentive to fight a BH other than pride. And it gives MBH's no reason not to play taking PC missions as a "lottery", at the cost only of time, they can potentially strike it big at someone else's expense. There should be something on the line for BOTH participants, as well as reward for success.
Otherwise, I think XP loss should go for padawans entirely. Still put them on the terms, but restrict XP loss to knight level and FRS.
1. Reward a Jedi for a succesful kill of a BH (such as an xp/credit reward, or perhaps the ability to loot their body for a high end loot item (not the player's posessions, but similar to the "Boss" BH mark loot).
2. Punish a BH for a defeat, so that they too have something to lose. The best suggestion I've seen anyone make is a "prestige point" system similar to deep space. A MBH must spend so many points to take a PC mission. He is essentially gambling these points: If he succeeds, he gets double the points back, If he fails, he loses double the number of them. If he loses enough he must grind NPC missions to get enough to take another PC mission, and his points can go negative (and put himself on the terms, as Jabba can be quite angry).
The system as it is gives us no incentive to fight a BH other than pride. And it gives MBH's no reason not to play taking PC missions as a "lottery", at the cost only of time, they can potentially strike it big at someone else's expense. There should be something on the line for BOTH participants, as well as reward for success.
Otherwise, I think XP loss should go for padawans entirely. Still put them on the terms, but restrict XP loss to knight level and FRS.
c0kes
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:31 pm
#2
The constant problems we all have.
The whining from both parts, specially BH when their mark is in a private building for example.
Want to get paid as a BH, and hate how Jedi run most of the time?
I found a very easy fix the Devs just need to push to live.
Remove the XP loss of the game.
Why I should post such an attrocity?
Simple.
Jedi sees BH.
Currently, Jedi says "OH DAMN IT! Now I have to fight for 1 hour+ and I have a date in 30 mins!*"
Jedi either
A) Runs to safety
Wich brings the problems with the BH saying "Come on out Jedi f4g!!1, Im hare to KILL U!!11", the Jedi logs and BH has to get another mark.
B) Jedi fights
Wich brings that one of them lose, if the BH dies, all happy, no one lose nothing and we all con continue with our lives.
If the Jedi dies, BH gets paid, he is happy, Jedi is mad because he has to grind again.
Imagine a PvP system like the one we have, but just for fun? I mean imagine, theres a BH, he obviously just wants the money, well let him have it, prone, unequip your saber and spam some sort of sad text, get a rez, and carry on with your grinding, and we all are happy!
You get to decide "Oh!! a BH! Im gonna fight this time for fun and try out my new skills/saber/clothes/special melon!" and if you die, he gets paid and you get some practice!
But again, this idea is too radical for most of the dinos in these forums... I mean Jedi has to be 'hard'! :rollseyes:
*I think the date part was too unrealistic for some of you, lets call it a LAN party.
Jacella
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:32 pm
#3
Remove people who whine about xp loss from the game and we would all be happy.
c0kes
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:33 pm
#5
Jacella wrote:
Remove people who whine about xp loss from the game and we would all be happy.
Yeah, but I would want my money back in that case.
Taduc
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:34 pm
#6
Your missing the reason for it in the first place...
You log in your BHer get your own mission collect the cash... sure its a little tougher with the new no name rules but you could sit your jedi next to the terms and sit and take missions till he turns red and bammo insta cash! they had to do something to keep people from farming their alts.
c0kes
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:35 pm
#7
Thatsdefinately not an option anymore, maybe before with the names, but now is close to impossible.
Unless the BH community came up with a way to get a certain mission, wich I dbout they did.
I think XP loss is unfounded right now, specially because of the reason you posted.
Terran_Riik
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:37 pm
#8
Uhh I hunted jedi for that reason... To make their lives harder so they are discouraged from jedi.
c0kes
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:37 pm
#9
Liani wrote:
nope....I think it is immersive.
Interesting, how do you find it immersive?
I was talking about the removal of the XP loss by the way, not the whole BH vs Jedi thing. I mean, you still get hunted, you still can roleplay you will lose XP or something and feel that 'adrenaline rush' some have and feel better with yourself.
Unlike Jacella, I dont see how loosing XP can be a good thing, specially in this game.
Taduc
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:38 pm
#10
c0kes wrote:
Thatsdefinately not an option anymore, maybe before with the names, but now is close to impossible.
Unless the BH community came up with a way to get a certain mission, wich I dbout they did.
I think XP loss is unfounded right now, specially because of the reason you posted.
Disagree all it takes is wait till the wee hours of the morning sit your jedi right next to the BHer terms and you have a good chance of getting the mission pretty quick. bammo 200k+ for 5 minutes work clears you from terms ect ect.. I personally have no problem with xp loss I mean unless your an idiot now days you can grind to full temp pretty easy in a group without ever getting vis.
Liani
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:39 pm
#11
They can totally get a specific named mission now. They can also double team (or more).
BH 1 gets a mission
BH 2 searches for same mission price and blurb on term and pulls it.
Now, both BH have your mission.
You fighting in Theed? no problem...BH pulls mission and waits to see if location is Naboo. If it is....a short shuttle hop answers the question.
It is more difficult, but not impossible, to track a specific Jedi.
c0kes
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:40 pm
#12
Terran_Riik wrote:
Uhh I hunted jedi for that reason... To make their lives harder so they are discouraged from jedi.
What do you acomplish by that? Its not like they are going to give up all of a sudden because they got killed by you. Im just giving an option to make this PvP system smoother... You still get to kill Jedi and get paid, what else would you want?
You see, that attitude is pretty much what caused all the problems in the first place.
MissMir
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:41 pm
#13
if there was no exp loss from bh kills, all jedi would go around waving their sabers about, i remember how bad it was before they added the group vis (was it pub 20?) now only the higher lv jedi go around waving sabers about. in some ways helps keep the visible jedi population in check, but doesnt help a whole lot though, still imo it needs to stay like that
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