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Thread: AI what's the purpose after the ToOW nerf?
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Hulke
Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:47 pm
#1
I realize that they did this so MDEF cant sit there and single handedly tank things that were never intended to be killed by a couple guys. IE MDEF uses AI and attacks while group blows away allowing you to take down anything.
But what in the hell is the purpose now?
I mean your snared, and now you can't hold agro even though you are the group tank.
NOT ONLY IS THIS A NERF BUT JESUS CHRIST IF YOU EVER USE IT THE REST OF YOUR GROUP COULD GET SLAUGHTERED. PEOPLE WILL HATE YOU FOR USING THIS SKILL IF YOU IMMEDIATLY DROP AGRO AND THEY DIE BECAUSE OF IT.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOE PLEASE FIND A DIFFERENT WAY TO FIX THIS.
INSTEAD OF THIS NERF WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS.
1. AI instantly takes agro from anything in range and holds it on you while it is active. No one else can take agro.
2.Snare stays as is
3. You get a 50% damage mitigation for incomeing damage and a 50% damage output reduction.
4. This way you can't use AI to solo things as your damage would be reduced
5. The group would still have to heal you because you can still technically incap its just that this helps to avoid incap as you would instantly take 50% less damage.
These are just a couple quick ideas and I realize they could use work but its a start to a better fix than what this would be. I mean master def should have some kind of agro hold like this anyway not a damn agro reducer. AI would be a better skill for a ranged prof than melee after this nerf.
Message Edited by Hulke on 10-10-2005 03:12 PM
Message Edited by Hulke on 10-10-2005 03:13 PM
omismiha
Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:51 pm
#2
think of it as vanish or feint, like in wow . seriously , this games getting more like WoW every patch. dont believe me? take a glance at the upcoming ranger revamp
Message Edited by omismiha on 10-10-2005 10:51 PM
Hulke
Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:53 pm
#3
I would love to think of it like that except it has a 1k force cost. If this is what they are going for then they should severly reduce the force cost.
WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE PROFESSION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE MOST DAMAGE AND BE ABLE TO HOLDAGRO FOR THE GROUP WOULD HAVE A SKILL IN THE MASTER BOX THAT DROPS AGRO?
I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT THE MASTER BOX IN DEFENDER WILL GIVE YOU. (MINUS THE INNATE ARMOR)
Message Edited by Hulke on 10-10-2005 02:58 PM
Rinviero
Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:58 pm
#4
Hulke wrote:
WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE PROFESSION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE MOST DAMAGE AND BE ABLE TO HOLDAGRO FOR THE GROUP WOULD HAVE A SKILL IN THE MASTER BOX THAT DROPS AGRO?
AI is a last ditch attempt to stay alive, and escape... It is not a method to tank high end mobs...
Scruffylooking69
Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:58 pm
#5
I never use AI anymore. High end PvE can be done with root/saberthrow/armorbreak. Using AI in PvP is just prolonging the inevitable while basically crippling your force bar rendering you useless anyways. Root, force drain, snare, stasis, insane force cost... how many counters does one skill need? I would prefer a new skill right now that does something useful. AI does nothing for me and is a completewaste offorce and most of the time you get incapped anywayswhile the timer is still on. The innate defenses are what make MDEF useful for me. Just my opinion.
TheBrewer
Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:58 pm
#6
Hulke wrote:
WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE PROFESSION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE MOST DAMAGE AND BE ABLE TO HOLDAGRO FOR THE GROUP WOULD HAVE A SKILL IN THE MASTER BOX THAT DROPS AGRO?
I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT THE MASTER BOX IN DEFENDER WILL GIVE YOU. (MINUS THE INNATE ARMOR)
Big QFE
Bucke-Thead
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:00 pm
#7
Rinviero wrote:
Hulke wrote:
WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE PROFESSION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE MOST DAMAGE AND BE ABLE TO HOLDAGRO FOR THE GROUP WOULD HAVE A SKILL IN THE MASTER BOX THAT DROPS AGRO?
AI is a last ditch attempt to stay alive, and escape... It is not a method to tank high end mobs...
How can you escape if you are snared?
Scruffylooking69
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:00 pm
#8
Rinviero wrote:
Hulke wrote:
WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE PROFESSION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE MOST DAMAGE AND BE ABLE TO HOLDAGRO FOR THE GROUP WOULD HAVE A SKILL IN THE MASTER BOX THAT DROPS AGRO?
AI is a last ditch attempt to stay alive, and escape... It is not a method to tank high end mobs...
Escape? Are you actually serious?
Xyrus_D_Virus
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:00 pm
#9
So you're saying that come ToOW, whenever you activate AI, not only does it snare you, but it automatically makes you lose agro? How about domintae mind, will that get it back eevn with AI activated?
iacou
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:02 pm
#10
Hulke wrote:
I realize that they did this so MDEF cant sit there and single handedly tank things that were never intended to be killed by a couple guys. IE MDEF uses AI and attacks while group blows away allowing you to take down anything.
But what in the hell is the purpose now?
I mean your snared, and now you can't hold agro even though you are the group tank.
NOT ONLY IS THIS A NERF BUT JESUS CHRIST IF YOU EVER USE IT THE REST OF YOUR GROUP COULD GET SLAUGHTERED. PEOPLE WILL HATE YOU FOR USING THIS SKILL IF YOU IMMEDIATLY DROP AGRO AND THEY DIE BECAUSE OF IT.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOE PLEASE FIND A DIFFERENT WAY TO FIX THIS.
/sarcasm
LoL Didn't you know this is a group game? You are simply not allowed to do anything anymore without having 7 of your friends with you at all times.
So everyone has to be in a 100 man guild because if you are lucky there might be 7 others on at the same time as you who still actually play the game.
And to top that, did you actually think you are supposed to use the skills you get at a master discipline? Come on now, you know better.
CrashNgoBoom
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:04 pm
#11
If that's the case then why is it the worse snare in the game, they might as well just make it a root. You already spect 60% of your AIing rooted anyways because the timers have to be stacked so heavily.
Rinviero wrote:
Hulke wrote:
WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE PROFESSION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE MOST DAMAGE AND BE ABLE TO HOLDAGRO FOR THE GROUP WOULD HAVE A SKILL IN THE MASTER BOX THAT DROPS AGRO?
AI is a last ditch attempt to stay alive, and escape... It is not a method to tank high end mobs...
Rinviero
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:04 pm
#12
Bucke-Thead wrote:
Rinviero wrote:
Hulke wrote:
WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE PROFESSION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE MOST DAMAGE AND BE ABLE TO HOLDAGRO FOR THE GROUP WOULD HAVE A SKILL IN THE MASTER BOX THAT DROPS AGRO?
AI is a last ditch attempt to stay alive, and escape... It is not a method to tank high end mobs...
How can you escape if you are snared?
hehe
Hulke
Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:06 pm
#13
From what Ive heard no you cannot gain agro while AI is on.
If you read my post carefully (to all of you that say its not meant to tank high end mobs)
I realize this. I dont care if they fix it so it cant be used for that. The point is that this nerf will fix that problem sure but in turn make AI useless. There will not be a reason to use AI if you are snared.
The second you hit AI the rest of the group could potentially get slaughtered.
Lets say you have a rooter in the group. Great, root breaks and you are snared and cant run after the mob you are attacking.
AI will be a great skill if
1. The whole group is already dead or has run away.
2. The second you use it and no one else is alive or around the mob will run back to its spawn. Great like I couldnt just run it off anyway.
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