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Thread: My thoughts on our Cor

Ayge
Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:41 am
#1
I just read the post that Garva locked regarding all the flames at our Cor. It is absolutely painful to agree with Garva, but I must. By definanition, that job is a volunteered position designed not to represent the jedi community, but rather to be a communicator between the jedi community and the developers of this game. Looking at the thousands of posts throughout these forums, it is clear that developers cannot and should not be expected to read every post. Hence, every forum has a Cor. The Cor would take the "general" thoughts of the community and inform the developers, then in-turn, inform the community of the developers responses. I think it is obvious that our cor has made every attempt to inform the developers of these general thoughts. I would like to add, I think he has done an exceptional job in not responding to the flames or making any assumptions as to what the future brings. He has been attacked for months now and like a mature adult, has not attacked back. Bravo Bac, I am impressed and I would never want the responsibility you have taken on.


The real shame in this is that as a community, we are so unorganized. We have a "top five issues list" but for some reason, we dont focus on them. We raise cane about an endless supply of issues (that do need attention) instead of focusing on the few most important ones. It is a simple process really. We all demand a response to ONE issue until we get. Like the response or not, once we get it we move on to the next issue. And so on, and so on. There is so much hate and anger in this forum that nothing will ever get accomplished. Stick with the top 5 issues. When one is responded to, we cross it off and add a new one to replace it. If you think I'm wrong, look at every other forum. They seem to work fine. Example, TH addressed the pearls issues months ago. I hate that we cant get good ones anymore, but we cant. He said it. It's over. Next issue.


My last thought is where to direct this anger. Instead of attacking the easiest (and incorrect) target, why can we not see the most obvious problem. It is clear the Bac has made every attempt to inform the developers of our thoughts. It is also clear that our Customer Services Representatives are not responding to those issues. When they do respond, it is with what could be at best described as arrogance and contempt. Never addressing the issue raised, but rather the threat of dismassal for raising the issue in a fashion they disaprove of. Two lessons there....1) Seeing as that they wont address our issues, what makes you think they address our Cor's. And 2) Maybe we should try a different avenue for resolution. One team of 10,000 is much stronger then 10 teams of 1000. Aim your Saber Throw at Customer Service. If we all fight the same battle at the same time, we cannot and will not loose.


Again, bravo Bac for your efforts and shame on our CSR's for not being leaders. It istheir responsiblity to motivate and guide us through the ever changing face ofthis game, not to demean, threaten, or ignore with contempt and arrogance.



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Hactar
Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:55 am
#2
Maybe Bac should tell us who to contact then, if he alone isnt loud enough im sure the whole jedi community has a more powerful voice...



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MystiqueBlue
Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:56 am
#3
/bow
eternalfool
Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:57 am
#4

A very nice and thought provoking post


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Ayge
Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:58 am
#5




Hactar wrote:
Maybe Bac should tell us who to contact then, if he alone isnt loud enough im sure the whole jedi community has a more powerful voice...




You are absolutely correct. As a whole community, our voice is far more powerful then any developers thoughts



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Neutronos
Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:01 am
#6
What I really wan't to know is... What is a butternutt?




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Fugitron
Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:05 am
#7
Listen, I understand you hate the "hate," but lemme tell you somethin. If he is supposed to be communicating with us WHERE IS IT? He IS there to represent us, he isn't just the messanger. I wrote this a while ago to Bac and now I will repost it.



I understand how daunting (especially as of late) your position must be for you. Alot of flames have been unjustly coming your way. From alot of the posts I have been reading it seems alot of people are asking for something we just are not seeing. Your input. I am not flaming you nor trying to tell you how to do anything, but personally and from what I am hearingto decrease the drama you may need to be more prevelant.I know you don't want to lose your position and nor would I, but right now especially it might be more prudent to be a tad more outspoken about your personal thoughts. I am not asking for a play by play, but if you are as "silent" as the Devs are about what you are doing and saying people are going to continue to assume things and come to their own conclusions, and that conclusion seems to assume that you are doing nothing.


Yes, I know another corrospondent will probably post something along the lines of "he is not allowed to say much." I personally beleive thats a CHOICE not a direct stipulation of the position. Some of the other correspondents let their thoughts and opinions known on a daily basis, and even if he cannot discuss things because of an NDA or whatnot, he could say "I was discussing (the)"blank" this week with the Devs, and will let you all know if I can post what they had to say or IF they have something to say here."


Another example would not to be so much taking the Dev's side..... I am refering to your post on the Beta forums refering to the Avoid Incap change as a "fix" (which btw we have never gotten a response for). Heck, that to me had the termunnecessary-changeall over it.


I know to some it would seem like a waste of a post, but to others it would give them the impression "Hey this guy is still pushin for what needs to be done," and most of us can respect that.


Bac, I think your doin a fairly good job, I am just suggesting maybe stepping out of the box a lil and "quelling the uprisings" by upping the level of communication. No doubt I will get flamed by this, but please note my intent of writing this is to help our corro out and vicariously help all jedi in the game out.








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Monci
Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:05 am
#8
Something I wondered about was why there was so many posts by our Cor on teh FS boards and there pretty recent posts. If he wanted to be the FS cor seems he should have opted for that board. Hell atleast our last cor would say he didnt know or was looking into it. All I hear are crickets from teh Bac corner. I know it would be a pain in the buttoxs to be a core and he took it on his own ommision but still throw us a bone my brother.



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eternalfool
Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:08 am
#9




Monci wrote:
Something I wondered about was why there was so many posts by our Cor on teh FS boards and there pretty recent posts. If he wanted to be the FS cor seems he should have opted for that board. Hell atleast our last cor would say he didnt know or was looking into it. All I hear are crickets from teh Bac corner. I know it would be a pain in the buttoxs to be a core and he took it on his own ommision but still throw us a bone my brother.




The Jedi Cor is also the FS Cor. You need to pay more attention.



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Ayge
Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:18 am
#10

In response to Fugis' Post...



Your missing the point I think. He cannot respond to us with assumptions and it is obvious that CS is being as forthcoming with him as they are with us. He cant tell us what he doesnt know and he cant flame or complain about CS. By not saying much, he is saying alot. As I tried to respectfully request of the community, we need to act as one. He has done all we can expect him to do by raising the issues. Now it is our turn to become unified and attack the issues as a whole community one at a time





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Ekymer
Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:35 am
#11




Ayge wrote:

In response to Fugis' Post...



Your missing the point I think. He cannot respond to us with assumptions and it is obvious that CS is being as forthcoming with him as they are with us. He cant tell us what he doesnt know and he cant flame or complain about CS. By not saying much, he is saying alot. As I tried to respectfully request of the community, we need to act as one. He has done all we can expect him to do by raising the issues. Now it is our turn to become unified and attack the issues as a whole community one at a time







No one asked him to come up with assumptions, he can´t tell what he doesn´t know or isn´t allowed to tell. But he doesn´t even tell us what he is telling the Devs.


What are his thoughts about Tiggs announcement of wanting to keep the pearl drop rate really rare? The community find that unnaccaptabel since every other weapon in the game is almost twice as powerfull as a LS. Has he raised our concerns? I don´t know, do you?


What are his thoughts about the AI change? AI is compeltely useless for PvE now, has he raised our concerns? I don´t know, do you?


What´s going on with the SL buffs in PvP? They can hit you for 7k dmg and one-shot kill you. Has he raised our concerns? I don´t know, do you?


What about the snare changes? Is he with us on that and fighting for us and raising our concerns? I don´t know, do you?


I hope you get my point. I don´t complain that he is not fighting for us and i know if he gives no answers he doesn´t know or isn´t allowed to tell. He isn´t responsible for all those changes, nor can he make them. That´s all fine, as long as he shows that he is fighting for us. But sorry to say,i can´t seethat tho.



Ayge
Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:49 am
#12




Ekymer wrote:




Ayge wrote:

In response to Fugis' Post...



Your missing the point I think. He cannot respond to us with assumptions and it is obvious that CS is being as forthcoming with him as they are with us. He cant tell us what he doesnt know and he cant flame or complain about CS. By not saying much, he is saying alot. As I tried to respectfully request of the community, we need to act as one. He has done all we can expect him to do by raising the issues. Now it is our turn to become unified and attack the issues as a whole community one at a time







No one asked him to come up with assumptions, he can´t tell what he doesn´t know or isn´t allowed to tell. But he doesn´t even tell us what he is telling the Devs. He is telling us. Its located at the top of the forum boards.


What are his thoughts about Tiggs announcement of wanting to keep the pearl drop rate really rare? The community find that unnaccaptabel since every other weapon in the game is almost twice as powerfull as a LS. Has he raised our concerns? I don´t know, do you? Again, it is located at the top of this forum board. I agree, it is completely crap what they have done, but the made it clear they arent changing it. It is time to cross this issue off and move to the next or quit the game because of it. What ever we do, we must do it as a whole community.


What are his thoughts about the AI change? AI is compeltely useless for PvE now, has he raised our concerns? I don´t know, do you?


What´s going on with the SL buffs in PvP? They can hit you for 7k dmg and one-shot kill you. Has he raised our concerns? I don´t know, do you?


What about the snare changes? Is he with us on that and fighting for us and raising our concerns? I don´t know, do you? The above three points are very good ones. I would say as a suggestion, if we requested as a whole that those issue be moved up on the list of top 5 issues, we would probably get answers to them.


I hope you get my point. I don´t complain that he is not fighting for us and i know if he gives no answers he doesn´t know or isn´t allowed to tell. He isn´t responsible for all those changes, nor can he make them. That´s all fine, as long as he shows that he is fighting for us. But sorry to say,i can´t seethat tho. I completely understand your points. But we must remeber it is not his job to fight for us. It is only to facilitate communication between developers and players. It is OUR job to fight. Which we are all clearly doing. However, we will continue to loose as long as we fight seperate battles. I am certain, and I think you would agree, if we all as a community raised enough cane together about the changes to AI, we would get an answer quickly. The thought of loosing me or you is meaningless to SOE. The thought of loosing every jedi over the same issue is more powerful than any rude, arrogant, contempt, or useless developer/CSR. If we are a team, we will win. I am willing to sacrifice my complete disgust in the current pearl drop issue if it will mean that just one of our issues will be resolved as a WHOLE community










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Nastypope
Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:05 am
#13

I would like to see more posts from the Corro, but I hae to give it to him he has answered my every pm to him about Jedi. So I cant fault him that much he will talk to people, but a few more post might get a few people off his backs in the forums.

Message Edited by Nastypope on 10-28-2005 09:08 AM



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