Jedi Archive

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Ayge wrote:

I just read the post that Garva locked regarding all the flames at our Cor. It is absolutely painful to agree with Garva, but I must. By definanition, that job is a volunteered position designed not to represent the jedi community, but rather to be a communicator between the jedi community and the developers of this game. Looking at the thousands of posts throughout these forums, it is clear that developers cannot and should not be expected to read every post. Hence, every forum has a Cor. The Cor would take the "general" thoughts of the community and inform the developers, then in-turn, inform the community of the developers responses. I think it is obvious that our cor has made every attempt to inform the developers of these general thoughts. I would like to add, I think he has done an exceptional job in not responding to the flames or making any assumptions as to what the future brings. He has been attacked for months now and like a mature adult, has not attacked back. Bravo Bac, I am impressed and I would never want the responsibility you have taken on.

The real shame in this is that as a community, we are so unorganized. We have a "top five issues list" but for some reason, we dont focus on them. We raise cane about an endless supply of issues (that do need attention) instead of focusing on the few most important ones. It is a simple process really. We all demand a response to ONE issue until we get. Like the response or not, once we get it we move on to the next issue. And so on, and so on. There is so much hate and anger in this forum that nothing will ever get accomplished. Stick with the top 5 issues. When one is responded to, we cross it off and add a new one to replace it. If you think I'm wrong, look at every other forum. They seem to work fine. Example, TH addressed the pearls issues months ago. I hate that we cant get good ones anymore, but we cant. He said it. It's over. Next issue.

My last thought is where to direct this anger. Instead of attacking the easiest (and incorrect) target, why can we not see the most obvious problem. It is clear the Bac has made every attempt to inform the developers of our thoughts. It is also clear that our Customer Services Representatives are not responding to those issues. When they do respond, it is with what could be at best described as arrogance and contempt. Never addressing the issue raised, but rather the threat of dismassal for raising the issue in a fashion they disaprove of. Two lessons there....1) Seeing as that they wont address our issues, what makes you think they address our Cor's. And 2) Maybe we should try a different avenue for resolution. One team of 10,000 is much stronger then 10 teams of 1000. Aim your Saber Throw at Customer Service. If we all fight the same battle at the same time, we cannot and will not loose.

Again, bravo Bac for your efforts and shame on our CSR's for not being leaders. It istheir responsiblity to motivate and guide us through the ever changing face ofthis game, not to demean, threaten, or ignore with contempt and arrogance.

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QFE

I hate seeing Bac take all the flack from everyone in here, it's just ridiculous. We've had a good string of Cor's in my opinionand Bac is doing all he can.

It's so nice to see such a well thought out and written message that really htis on the problems with this community, not with the Cor. Maybe for the top 5 issues we could start just listing 1 issue with each branch of Jedi (Lightsaber, Powers, Healing, Enhancer, Defender) and that way each portion of the community will feel represented.

I would think by now the FRS and Pearl drops are outside of the profession problems and are more gaming issues and I'm sure the Dev's are well aware of how we feel about this.

In the end Bac can only do or say what the Dev's allow him to so his hands are tied, I just wish the community would support him knowing that and end all of these flames.

/outrage;

/pause 10;

/cry;

/pause 10;

/blame bh;

/pause 10;

/macro jedi-nerf;

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Monci wrote:

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eternalfool wrote:

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Monci wrote:
Something I wondered about was why there was so many posts by our Cor on teh FS boards and there pretty recent posts. If he wanted to be the FS cor seems he should have opted for that board. Hell atleast our last cor would say he didnt know or was looking into it. All I hear are crickets from teh Bac corner. I know it would be a pain in the buttoxs to be a core and he took it on his own ommision but still throw us a bone my brother.

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The Jedi Cor is also the FS Cor. You need to pay more attention.

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Hmm let me see..... what carries a higher lvl or pondering or construction.......worrying about fs grind or... THE TERRIBLE STATE JEDI IS IN AND THE TOTAL LACK OF INFORMATION FROM SOE OR OUR COR. Hes more worried about the stupid grind getting here or the post he actually was put in for..... flame away but IMHO the FS boards should be a second to the PROFESSION itself. So before you make you little quips about paying attention, maybe you should be more worried about this profession then people that throw grenades at lairs. I think I have been around for quiet a few jedi cors so I think I have a good idea of what his duties are.... Junior

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I also have been around for a number of Jedi cors, and i can say that bac is holding the torch very well.

The FS forums are a much nicer environment than the jedi ones IMO, and I do not blame bac for spending more time helping the grinders who are actually willing to accept his help. The jedi community are too focused on nerfs and anger for bac to be able to help untill we help ourselves.

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eternalfool wrote:

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Monci wrote:

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eternalfool wrote:

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Monci wrote:
Something I wondered about was why there was so many posts by our Cor on teh FS boards and there pretty recent posts. If he wanted to be the FS cor seems he should have opted for that board. Hell atleast our last cor would say he didnt know or was looking into it. All I hear are crickets from teh Bac corner. I know it would be a pain in the buttoxs to be a core and he took it on his own ommision but still throw us a bone my brother.

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The Jedi Cor is also the FS Cor. You need to pay more attention.

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Hmm let me see..... what carries a higher lvl or pondering or construction.......worrying about fs grind or... THE TERRIBLE STATE JEDI IS IN AND THE TOTAL LACK OF INFORMATION FROM SOE OR OUR COR. Hes more worried about the stupid grind getting here or the post he actually was put in for..... flame away but IMHO the FS boards should be a second to the PROFESSION itself. So before you make you little quips about paying attention, maybe you should be more worried about this profession then people that throw grenades at lairs. I think I have been around for quiet a few jedi cors so I think I have a good idea of what his duties are.... Junior

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I also have been around for a number of Jedi cors, and i can say that bac is holding the torch very well.

The FS forums are a much nicer environment than the jedi ones IMO, and I do not blame bac for spending more time helping the grinders who are actually willing to accept his help. The jedi community are too focused on nerfs and anger for bac to be able to help untill we help ourselves.

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Ayge wrote:

I just read the post that Garva locked regarding all the flames at our Cor. It is absolutely painful to agree with Garva, but I must. By definanition, that job is a volunteered position designed not to represent the jedi community, but rather to be a communicator between the jedi community and the developers of this game. Looking at the thousands of posts throughout these forums, it is clear that developers cannot and should not be expected to read every post. Hence, every forum has a Cor. The Cor would take the "general" thoughts of the community and inform the developers, then in-turn, inform the community of the developers responses. I think it is obvious that our cor has made every attempt to inform the developers of these general thoughts. I would like to add, I think he has done an exceptional job in not responding to the flames or making any assumptions as to what the future brings. He has been attacked for months now and like a mature adult, has not attacked back. Bravo Bac, I am impressed and I would never want the responsibility you have taken on.

The real shame in this is that as a community, we are so unorganized. We have a "top five issues list" but for some reason, we dont focus on them. We raise cane about an endless supply of issues (that do need attention) instead of focusing on the few most important ones. It is a simple process really. We all demand a response to ONE issue until we get. Like the response or not, once we get it we move on to the next issue. And so on, and so on. There is so much hate and anger in this forum that nothing will ever get accomplished. Stick with the top 5 issues. When one is responded to, we cross it off and add a new one to replace it. If you think I'm wrong, look at every other forum. They seem to work fine. Example, TH addressed the pearls issues months ago. I hate that we cant get good ones anymore, but we cant. He said it. It's over. Next issue.

My last thought is where to direct this anger. Instead of attacking the easiest (and incorrect) target, why can we not see the most obvious problem. It is clear the Bac has made every attempt to inform the developers of our thoughts. It is also clear that our Customer Services Representatives are not responding to those issues. When they do respond, it is with what could be at best described as arrogance and contempt. Never addressing the issue raised, but rather the threat of dismassal for raising the issue in a fashion they disaprove of. Two lessons there....1) Seeing as that they wont address our issues, what makes you think they address our Cor's. And 2) Maybe we should try a different avenue for resolution. One team of 10,000 is much stronger then 10 teams of 1000. Aim your Saber Throw at Customer Service. If we all fight the same battle at the same time, we cannot and will not loose.

Again, bravo Bac for your efforts and shame on our CSR's for not being leaders. It istheir responsiblity to motivate and guide us through the ever changing face ofthis game, not to demean, threaten, or ignore with contempt and arrogance.

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I mentioned this post earlier and I dont want it to get lost in all the anger. take a look if you get some time.

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1312514