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Ok, let me make it clear. It wasn't that we couldn't manage our force pools that caused us to get it back. It was that for those points, we would rather have channel than not have it. Getting back into the fray quickly is important to us, both for PvP and PvE. Go hang out in the DWB with a powers user who doesn't have channel. Choke is immeasureably effective down there when dealing with multiple mobs, but it takes a toll. You don't want to hang around while they regen and the mobs respawn. With a good regen setup, you certainly can, and SHOULD be channeling any time you are consuming force, PvE or PvP. I can channel every 35 seconds or so and maintain the same level of Health. At that point, my only decision is whether I want to run with 3600 health (assuming you're on at least Booster) or 3300 health. For the extra Force, I'd rather be channeling. Obviously you need to keep an eye on your action and mind, and channel at appropriate times, but proper channeling has greatly increased longevity in combat, while also maximizing damage output.

By not having channel, you're walking the line. You call it managing your force pool, and it is. But how is it managing it? By choosing not to expend force, correct? That means more than likely that you are doing less than your maximum DPS. In some situations it's important to be doing as much damage as possible, and sometimes it is not as big of a deal.

Obviously your template affects this as well. Master Defenders go through a lot less force than a powers or enhancer based template, and have much less cause to be grabbing extra force whenever they can.

When in PvP, I don't know anyone out there who would rather sit and wait for the regen rather than channel up and a few minutes later be completely ready to go. Your group mates obviously aren't going to stop fighting to transfer force to you after you clone, and in my mentality, I need to get back out there as fast as possible to help them.

So, in essence, it wasn't that we couldn't deal with not having it, it's that we didn't WANT to deal without it. Can you deal with having only 3000 healer? yeah. How many people go 4000 though? Lots of them. Sometimes they have lesser defenses and need the extra healing. Sometimes they only had a couple of points to allocate, and this was the best fit. Some would rather have better heals and play it safe. I just wanted to reiterate that it can be done, but depending on how you play the game,you may not want to. It's foolish to think that anyone with channel is guilty of mismanaging their force pool.

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Yoiaholic1 wrote:

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Marrow1 wrote:

I have never had it.

It sure does slow down my PvE but for PvP it is not needed. There is plenty of time between fights to regen (or beg for some force from friends :smileywink

I think the patch notes say something about fixing regen so it may even be less needed.

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I agree. End the oppression of the channel skill. You are only gimping yourself because you could pick up more useful skills.

I don't have channel (though I did when I was a baby jedi) I manage my force and do quite well. I've never run out of force during a fight.

Channel is a crutch to be honest. It lets you spam power attack without really learning how to be an effective player.

Being powerful comes with a price, a 5 minute down time here or there is more than worth it.

Say you take that 0002 enhancer and make it 2000. Now you have a root, force run 1 (amazingly useful skill no damage reduction), and force speed 1. If you can 3000 is even better, with force speed 2.

Most of you will probably laugh at me but honestly I'm just trying to make you stronger.

channel < force run/speed, root

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While you are grinding out your temp it is probably necesary, but afterward, unless you tank alot in PvE and don't have anyone to help regen, it may not be as essential as once thought. especially if robes are fixed soon. Previous posters are right in saying managing your force, and I would add that crafting a saber with a low FC is obviously a must as well, if you are going to drop channel.

A must in Jedi v Jedi battles. Other than that I haven't had much of a problem.

MH/MD 0404Saber

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WCjtace wrote:

MLS/MPW/4040 Healer

PVE, really nice to have.

PVP, not needed, even as Master Powers. The fight is always over in group pvp before I'm out of force. And if I really need a quick turnaround, an enhancer is always in the group somewhere.

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You must not play too often then and carry holocrons, right?

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Ase wrote:

Is it that severe? Looking to try to live without it, is it a mistake? Discuss..........................

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Now is the time to experiment with your template--you don't want to have to muck around with it if/when the FRS is back (assuming it's competitive).

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00over0 wrote:

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Ase wrote:

Is it that severe? Looking to try to live without it, is it a mistake? Discuss..........................

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In general PvP I don't think it's necessary, except for one occassion--when you're the only Jedi grouped with non-Jedi (and moreso if you're in a clone-zerging situation).

In PvE it's very useful if you're going through something like the DWB, the Geo, after Akxva, etc.

If you have the xp saved up to switch back, I'd say try it out and give it a month or so to see if you can adapt to not having it.

Now is the time to experiment with your template--you don't want to have to muck around with it if/when the FRS is back (assuming it's competitive).

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I'm pretty sure if you get hit by a lot of BH's it definately is Needed.

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MikeHeXt wrote:

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00over0 wrote:

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Ase wrote:

Is it that severe? Looking to try to live without it, is it a mistake? Discuss..........................

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In general PvP I don't think it's necessary, except for one occassion--when you're the only Jedi grouped with non-Jedi (and moreso if you're in a clone-zerging situation).

In PvE it's very useful if you're going through something like the DWB, the Geo, after Akxva, etc.

If you have the xp saved up to switch back, I'd say try it out and give it a month or so to see if you can adapt to not having it.

Now is the time to experiment with your template--you don't want to have to muck around with it if/when the FRS is back (assuming it's competitive).

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I'm pretty sure if you get hit by a lot of BH's it definately is Needed.

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Probably not. I get hit by 3-4 a day, usually 5-20 minutes after my log in one is there for me.

With my template though I do not burn force, and if I don't feel like dying, a bh isn't going to kill me even if I'm low on force.

My longest BH encounter was 14 minutes and I still had 45% force left after his death.

Its all about how you play. Again with the other skill I can get with the skill points, channel is not worth it to me. Try 2000 enhancer and let me know if having all those great skills more than make up for a little downtime.

Having 3000 enhancer gives me an advantage over any jedi with only 0002

I am a master saber, master defender and this is the only templete I would try not using channel on. I haven't had channel for awhile now and well it would be nice. I would give up my 1500 heals for it, it's awsome in pvp, in pve I could us channel to get me back up and fighting again but I always have a jedi charger not to far away. When it come down to it if your a pvper go for it, if not your a laimo anyway.

if u hang out with other jedi alot with transfer the you'll be good...........

Maybe if you have a pre cu pearled' saber and an Iwin button, but as far as that goes, I'm double mastered and my saber is 662 max and I still sometimes run out of force in fights.

That would annoy me though, if I had someone with me constantly begging for force, and I pvp in groups a lot.