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Thread: MLS defence skill = LIghtsaber Block ---> MPowers defence skill = ?????

Rutigrr
Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:41 am
#1
In the lightsaber techniques branch, there is a defence vs. Ranged Weapons. There is no comparable defence in the powers tree.

If someone chooses to go MLS+MDef, then they have more defence than someone who goes MPowers+MDef.

In Empire Strikes Back, Vader blocks shots from Solo's weapon using the Force, with no saber in his hand. Here is my idea on how to relate this to SWG and the powers tree.


Add in a Force block ability that functions the same as Lightsaber Block.


when you aredefending yourself, if you have skills in pistols and polearms, if you have a pistol out, you use your pistol defence, if you switch to polearm, then you use polearm defence, they dont stack. This should apply here too. If you have a lightsaber out then you use your lightsaber block, if you dont then you use Force Block. I'm not sure how to make it so that its not stacked with a TKM defence, but I've never understood that if I'm master powers, why i have to use a saber. I think this might go a ways to balancing out Powers and Lightsaber.
HarlequinMK19
Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:51 am
#2

Defender contains Valor...


Mind you, I understand what you're trying to say, however you can't say that"a" skill doesn't exist there.


The thing is though....


How many other Jedi do you see using their hands to stop blaster bolts? Uhhmm..none by my count. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, Vader blocked the bolt with his cybernetic arm...and this on top of being one of the most powerful Jedi ever. Sorry, I'm all for making Jedi stronger, but I really can't buy into this.


I can handle Jedi blocking blaster bolts with their lightsabers, but the hand thing is really a stretch. There's enough martial arts/TKM nonsense that is decidedly un-Star Wars in my opinion, and that's pretty much what this is sounding like...more Kung Fu foolishess.






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Ciscero
Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:51 am
#3

That has always been the complaint of the revamp, and the old system. Pre-CU you had to have Master Lightsaber to have any defense. At least you could combine saber and another Jedi profession to be effective. (MSaber/MPowers, MSaber/MDefender, MSaber/MEnhancer, MSaber/MHealer all had followers)


Post CU you now have to have Defender to have any defense. (tho you can get some Block from 0004 Saber tree or the Force Armor from Enhancer)


You think Powers got hurt? At least it got Cloak to escape. Enhancer has Armor to absorb some damage.


Try Healer... We got really hosed in the Post-CU era.




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Phattopia
Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:54 am
#4
Vader also used the force to confiscate their weapons. Powers templates should have a weapon disarm skill. Non master powers can use it disarm targets weapon for5 seconds(they cant equip any weapon for that time), master powers can do it for10 seconds. That would give master powers a nice defense, sure they are still first shot vulnerable, but they counterattck can get a bh really panicking. and make it a 45 sec cooldown so its not done over and over but common enough like knockdown.



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zzzilla
Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:54 am
#5
pre cu my jedi was a msaber mpowers heal 4004, a very doable template and alotof fun. now that template = instant death to me . you have to have valor, and inate armor to survive, if you dont=instant death.



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HarlequinMK19
Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:56 am
#6
Personally, I wish Powers was a "profession" of extreme and brutal offense. I think that Powers users probably should be lacking in some kind of defenses (when looking at Powers by itself). This of course would be offset by the fact that a Powers users can obliterate their targets at range (or in melee if they chose to weild a saber as well). I've always liked the premise of the glass cannon, it's just too bad that Powers-users can't really be much of a cannon. :/



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HarlequinMK19
Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:57 am
#7




Phattopia wrote:
Vader also used the force to confiscate their weapons. Powers templates should have a weapon disarm skill. Non master powers can use it disarm targets weapon for5 seconds(they cant equip any weapon for that time), master powers can do it for10 seconds. That would give master powers a nice defense, sure they are still first shot vulnerable, but they counterattck can get a bh really panicking. and make it a 45 sec cooldown so its not done over and over but common enough like knockdown.




This is a much better idea than the "open-hand block" that the OP suggested. It would give Powers users a smei-viable defense, it would simply work differently than the static stuff Defender has.



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Aulendil
Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:59 am
#8
Adisarm skill would be awesome and true to the films. Maybe replace Force Weaken with Force Disarm or something. Force Weaken is pretty useless atm. A basic Force Disarm could last for 5 seconds, the advanced version would last for 10 seconds. Would be better if it also could not be broken by attacks. Like you cant shoot or attack with your weapon but you can move around and even heal yourself for the duration of the disarm.










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Jediknight2k1
Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:23 am
#9




Since half the skills are from KoTor 2( Force Aura, Force Valor etc) then MPowers should have some type of weapon deflection using their hands.


But we all know the devs would say "If you want LS Block then pick up 0004 LS". Which IMO is the wrong approach to SWG.






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hobieone
Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:35 am
#10
i don't think vader used the force to syop that shot with his hand remember his hands and arms are cybernetic it is posssible his habd id armor plated. if he used the force for anything it was to predict where that shot was going so he can have his hand in the right spoot and then to disarm them



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HarlequinMK19
Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:39 am
#11




hobieone wrote:
i don't think vader used the force to syop that shot with his hand remember his hands and arms are cybernetic it is posssible his habd id armor plated. if he used the force for anything it was to predict where that shot was going so he can have his hand in the right spoot and then to disarm them




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That's *exactly* how I always interpreted it. KOTOR 2 does show unarmed Force Delflection, but I just can't buy into that skill. Besides, if it is possible, I would think it'd be an advanced skill...one that would need the Academy to perfect. That's just my two cents though...I don't really think the Force did anything other than guide Vader's cyberntic arm.

Message Edited by HarlequinMK19 on 10-23-2005 01:39 PM



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RebelArchAngel
Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:40 am
#12
why cant we use the force with our hands to sto[p blaster shots? it seems possible even to deflect then for a master of the force



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jonstraf
Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:41 am
#13
Although I do agree there needs to be more defenses scattered around all the Jedi trees, this is just silly. Lightsaber block is lightsaber block. We saw them block plenty of shots in the movies (much more than we do). "force block" wow. Are you kidding? How about innate armor in every jedi skillsheet instead since it actually makes sense...



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