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Thread: At this point why not just move cloak to enhancer and give Powers Something VIABLE!!!
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Novock
Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:28 am
#1
A 4th tier box special, the ONLY special (mindblast is a joke) in the line, is suppose to be a high force cost, slow moving ALPHA Strike ability for a high force cost low dmg discipline. /scratcheshead that doesn't make any sense. I say if this is what they want to do with cloke move it to enhancer is it far more beneficial to a sabers player anyway (in teh proposed changed platform)and bring some REAL skills that are VIABLE to a class that deseprately needs a sense of direction. Are we crowd control with ALPHA strike ability? Are we an offensive alternative to LS with higher force costs, higher action costs, slower implication and a fraction of the dmg.... /scratchesheadagain?
Bottomline is the weilder class needs to be fixed before any changes to cloak are made. Anything less is a slap in the Master Weilder face. Cloak is what helped us find viability and a scattered direction discipline. It allowed us to manage out battlefield particpation in light of low defense, low offensive output and extremly high action and force costs. You take that away frmo most templates and weilder has been renmoved from that much more content and ability to compete. Again want to change cloak, fine but fix weilder first!!
gera
Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:30 am
#2
Enhancers has already useless 4th tier abilities such as damage reducing Force Run 2 andMeditate, no need for another usless one
Novock
Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:31 am
#3
Ah but i'm so wanting to share
gera wrote:
Enhancers has already useless 4th tier abilities such as damage reducing Force Run 2 andMeditate, no need for another usless one
Novock
Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:39 am
#5
CrashNgoBoom wrote:
What about the bringing back the animal control line?
Would love it but I'm sure CH's wouldn't. It is displayed as a jedi skill in Episode 1 well and even possibly in Episode 3 if you consider the seeming understanding between Obi and his varactyl. Part of the problem is the absence of what real role is envisionedby teh devs for teh discipline as obviously statements and skills are in severe conflict.
Message Edited by Novock on 09-21-2005 01:40 PM
BukuJohnson
Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:47 am
#6
I thought Cloak needed to be in the Enhancer tree as well, but I said this long before the changes to cloak were announced.
It seemed to me that area intimidate and force throw should be there as well. After all Enhancer and Healer were the ones that were labeled as "Support Trees" at the CU not Powers.
Buku
Naritus
It seemed to me that area intimidate and force throw should be there as well. After all Enhancer and Healer were the ones that were labeled as "Support Trees" at the CU not Powers.
Buku
Naritus
CrashNgoBoom
Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:48 am
#7
Well, jedi can already do everything better that normal professions can do but better anyways. Why leave CH out of the mix? Besides, I missthe krayt fights. lol
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acmtalk
Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:49 am
#8
nah... keep cloak at powers, Sure the snare will sux, but it istill a cool skill
+ animal control would rock at master box.
+ animal control would rock at master box.
Novock
Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:56 am
#9
Now com'on.What can i do better than you. I'm a full template jedi with Master Powers, I can't do a thing better than anyone else. My MasterCarbineer/MSL/4xxxCM has bettr defenses, better damage, and better healing than my jedi. i mean just com'on and say lets start a fight would ya and not blanket it general statements that mislead the unknowledgeable.
CrashNgoBoom wrote:
Well, jedi can already do everything better that normal professions can do but better anyways. Why leave CH out of the mix? Besides, I missthe krayt fights. lol
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CrashNgoBoom
Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:03 pm
#10
Your the one arguing about my comment attached to the idea adding stuff to powers(related). If you think your non-jedi templets are better then your jedi's, that's fine. I have both a master doc and a master combat medics for alts. I also no that my jedi with 4-0-4-0 can heal just fine in comparison. Also that the only templets that beat with any sort of regularity are jedi and that my jedi has NEVER lost to a non-jedi in a 1 on 1 fight. But you're right, non-jedi's are stronger. Have fun with your new snare.
Jive17
Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:04 pm
#11
Cloak is an outright use of force mastery. The enhancer skill set is meant to use the force to enhance defense, offense and innate skills. Cloak belongs in powers, but should not be nerfed.
Novock
Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:07 pm
#12
So your argument was powers is just fine as is? I didn't derive that from your comments but I apreciate it you clearing that up for me.
CrashNgoBoom wrote:
Your the one arguing about my comment attached to the idea adding stuff to powers(related). If you think your non-jedi templets are better then your jedi's, that's fine. I have both a master doc and a master combat medics for alts. I also no that my jedi with 4-0-4-0 can heal just fine in comparison. Also that the only templets that beat with any sort of regularity are jedi and that my jedi has NEVER lost to a non-jedi in a 1 on 1 fight. But you're right, non-jedi's are stronger. Have fun with your new snare.
MsNiL
Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:09 pm
#13
Novock wrote:
This will really go down hill if we start comparing skills MSNIL, be like comparing which stinks worse horse or cowdung, bottom line is it stinks. Even you would have to admit that Enhancer is not on par with the gimpness of Powers we are second only to healer which has us beat by some length (which you already know).
The official master list speaks for me.
Bottom 3:
Force Healer
Force Enhancer
Force Powers
Position 11 from the bottom:
Force Defender
Position 21 from the bottom:
Lightsaber
Lightsaber
I do not consider that as a proof that Enhancer is worse off than Powers, instead I say that each of theese three are crippled. Alot based on one issue: The Armor/Defense. There is not a working rpg out there in which a combat profession have zero armor/defense. The question is never "Do you want armor or not", it's "And how much armor?"
Against a Bounty Hunter, a Master Powers will probably Cloak.
In the same situation, a Master Enhancer will Stasis, and Forcerun.
Attempting to defeating the Bounty Hunter with Enhancer is out of the question unless you have an exceptional Lightsaber.
As much as I have nothing to win by trying to prove Master Powers have it better of than a Master Enhancer, you have nothing for trying to prove Master Enhancer to be better of than a Master Powers. So lets just say that Jedi is severly broken and badly designed and leave it there.
(i tried to explain to an old rpg friend the other day that I had zero defense as a Jedi. He looked upon me like I was a nutcase).
Message Edited by MsNiL on 09-21-2005 10:10 PM
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