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I still don't know why people think preCU was godly. I feel it was far worse and less entertaining then what we got now ((Dunno about Jedi since I wasn't one preCU but whatever, I don't aim for absolute power like most these jedi crave)).

Message Edited by Eisei on 10-02-2005 02:42 PM

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SikrouDeco wrote:
"I dont know how to quote on these forums, but you mentioned that TKM was not in Star Wars. Well i think im right in saying that Darth Maul was trained in TKM as well as his obvious skill with a saber"

Martial arts possibly, but TKM is made up prof.

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Odd... no one complains about all the TKs in the game breaking continuity.

Please do not listen to the Older players when they sing the praises of the Pre - CU combat system. The only thing that was good about it compared with today was the combat speed, things did move alot faster then. But apart from that is was pretty mundane really, it takes alot more skill now to be able to hold your own in PvP combat. For instance, you see all the Old School movies scattered across these forums, watch them guys. Then carefully take a look at the old combat cue system, thiswas were you use to store your next couple of combat moves. Take a look and you will see the high level of skill it took to fight *laughs*, there was no skill at all. All you did was spam your best move over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Non jedi PvP was even worse, if you wasnt a Melee class you never stood a real chance of competing. Hell most fights were judged by who got the first knockdown/dizzy in. Sure Jedi were more powerful back then, but you also had the wonderful FRS which was exploited and basically ruined for anyone who didnt cheat. You also had the totally cool BH gank squads, where a BH would bring his Jedi buddies to take your Bounty and basically just gank the crap outta you.

Jedi are weaker now sure, but we only have ourselves to blame for this really. Jedi were powerful in the old days, i think we all agree on this. Is it not surprising that everyone who liked to compete in PvP started on the road to Jedi- hood? Perhaps if the Older players had kept themselves a little more secret and not rail roaded into every faction war and basically killed everyone we wouldnt have the population explosion we have today? Sure SoE also added to the population by making it easier to start on the road, but this is just to give players what they want. After all we all wanted to be like that cool dood who killed 10 players by himself in that last Faction war we saw!

The old days are gone guys, get over it. The only reason people still talk about them is because back then SWG was new to them, everything was a adventure and fun then. Much like the newer players are finding today, i bet in another year or so, the new players now will be singing the praises of these current times as the good ole days.

Oh yes and please do not take the vocal minority on these forums as the voice of the entire SWG community, they are 100's of thousands of people who do not post here and are happily playing away. Just because they shout lounder than the rest of us, does not mean they are right.

Message Edited by Zara- on 10-02-2005 12:11 PM

I am not known to post alothowever after reading this topic and the whole thread I must say, with all DUE Respect. SHUT THE HE11 UP! One, PRE-CU Sucked Arse... It was Macro Fighting Defense Stacker Cookie Cutter Templates..Ranged Professions were Gimpy at best.. This is Star Wars not fricking Mortal Combat , The TKM/SWORD/FENCE Or TK/Doc Or any other Melee Defense Stacker Professions really got old.. The PRE-CU was a Disease... and those who say they want it back knew how to abuse the old system of MACRO Fighting.. Here is the Macro KD Dizzy Head Hit... Rinse and Repeat... BORING!

Second, Those who cry about the New System and how thewy want the old system back are ones who can not use thier Brain, They do not know what tactics are... They only know how to make a Defense Stacker Macro Fighter Template... My answer to that is QUIT THE GAME we do not need you..

Third, Yes it is true it is alot easier getting XP in the New System and alot of the Risks were removed ( Group Vis, NPC pve Death Xp Loss) However they did Nerf Combat XP Exchange... Among other Nerfs they also Nerfed theh Jedi Power in whole. Why did they Do that? It is becuase we , the Jedi Comunity do nothing but CRY nerf to EVERY Template that works reguardless on PROFESSION Even our Fellow Jedi if you get Beat you cry NERF... That is BACK-ARSE-WARDS thinking... Peopel want to bring back Saber Damage type... People want this they want that.. Here is what I want.. I want you all as a WHOLE to GROW UP learn how to ADAPT and USE your Brain... TACTICS!!!!!! Countless times I have seen on these Cry Baby Forums , people crying about CM/BH or other Jedi Templates.. I have a Jedi (Pre-CU) and I also have a CM/BH ( was a BH with a lil carbs and Pistols but respeced to CM after CU hit was CM/BH before the FotM Craze) I have yet to Loose to a CM/BH becuase I use tactics.. I am not a Cookie Cutter FotM Defender template or Master Powers.. My long point is Both sides need to SHUT UP ... Stop the NERFS... Stop Crying over the CU It is here to stay.. The CU even with the bugs is 10 times better than the SWG I started playing back in April of04 The +90m Poisons/Diseases The Mind Fire Dot Pikes the Defense Stackers TKM Macro Fighters... you can take that CRAP and Shove it! The CU brings back what star wars was.. Did we see TKM's in the Movies? People who cry about Jedi always claim there were only Two Light Jedi and Two Sith... that is HALF correct, however I ask them How many TKM's did you see Hell besides Jedi how many melee professions did you see? I saw 3 One Pikeman on Jabba's Skiff and the Green Piggy Guards..And the Imperial Royal Guard.. Now how many did you see use a Blaster? EVERYONE!!!!! But in the Pre-CU it was all Melee Blasters SUCKED Ranged was Gimped... The Post CU brought back the Blasters.. When I was a Kid Star Wars was Stormtroopers Blasters and Lightsabers.. those were the things I thought of first when I thought about star wars...

In Conclusion PRE CU was Macro Fighting that took no skill... IT WAS CRAP!!!!

Post CU takes Skill and requires thought and Tactics... Those who claim the CU ruined thier game are those who know nothing about tactics they only know how to write a UBER macro.. Those peopel can quit fro all I care..

As for the NERFS.. Stop crying.. I wish they would make more professions more powerfull.. This Nerffing crap needs to end... If you nerf one you have to nerf them all... Instead why dont you make the weaker ones stronger? Jedi is not 1.5 times Stronger than any Full Template Non Jedi ( Combat Template Only Unless Crafters can toss Crafting stations Bring Back the Power and Mystique of Jedi.. Make it Risky that will put alot of jedi back into hiding.. Right now there is No real Danger to us at all... It is difficult Yes but not nearly as hard as it was... Not nearly as rewarding either... Without Risk there is No Reward... I want RISK... I want Reward... I do not want somthign for nothing... and I sure as heck dont want macro Combat Back...

/endrant

/equip anti Flame Suite.

blaah blaah blaah blaah...

Ceasar

Jedi Knight

Sunrunner

did you post this twice............?

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TheJehdaeen wrote:

I'm probably going to make some of ya mad with this post, but I need to say something about the Jedi profession.

First off, STOP WHINING!

The old days are just that, OLD DAYS! There is a new system now so get used to it! And as far as you old jedi's that think that you should be the only jedi on the servers need to shut the hell up. I started playing this game 153 days ago to be a jedi and all you old school jedi are trying to make it so I will never get my initiate status. The jedi nowadays are almost equal to any other profession in game, and thats just not right. It should take 8 people to bring down a jedi. Since it's so friggin hard to be an initiate in these times, respect should be shown for us who are ignoring the extreme nerf and pushing through the village quests. I started to play this game to be a Jedi, not a BH or a Crafter. I'm not going to say names but I know way too many "scared-i-cat" jedi that hardly ever play their toons. If they do they sit in their house or just outside it not wanting to do anything for fear of a BH coming to collect a bounty. **edit**?! If you have a jedi, use it. Stop being a chicken. I plan to play on my jedi constantly, grinding out xp in hopes to become a very powerful jedi.

You cant be to concerned with BH'ers anyway, 9 times our of 10 the jedi always wins! The few BH'ers that do actually manage to kill a jedi are pre-CU chars with pre-CU weapons that have a great advantage over the weapons we can make at this time. I am a MBH myself and have tried 3 times to hunt a jedi with the same results. I care not to hear about how many jedi you've killed as I have killed none. All it takes is a stasis root and you cant do squat while the jedi pummels you into the ground. Usually the jedi will run away at this point. Is this a complaint? Nope. A BH should have to be good to take a Jedi down solo. This is why the Jedi profession is slowly being nerfed to death because BH'ers complain they can never kill a Jedi. Hell, thats why SOE made the new BH npc loot revamp, cause they know you aren't supposed to be able to 1 on 1 a jedi.

Personally I don't care how the old days were, cause I didn't play back then. I play now. Stop living in the past and being so high and mighty on your pre-CU horse. If you dont like the way the game is, stop playing. I'll be glad to take your position as a # on your jedi list. There aren't too many jedi on servers so shut up already!

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Message Edited by KelaltheIFP on 10-02-2005 01:00 PM

One person does not make a good argument. There are always exceptions to any rule, but on the whole ranged fighters were at a big disadvantage pre-cu. The only chance any ranged fighter had,was if he spent millions on Kinetic armour and badass weapons. Also saying that combat moves werent spam is just laughable really, we all know they were.. Sure the favourite move changed from proff to proff, but it was just a case of spamming the hell out of you best move and stopping to heal every now and then.

You can dissect my post as much as you like, but you know full well that everything in there is fairly accurate. While not as powerful as we were then , things are more balanced now for EVERY proffession, this includes Jedi. There are Jedi around now, who can beat anyone regardless of the Template, even the dreaded MCM/BH. Jedi are not the kickass dudes they were then sure, but there are way to many of us now to justify us being so powerful. The Jedi numbers now are noones fault really, its just a sign of SWG's age. It was always possible to unlock (once discovered how to do it) , sooner or later we would have had thousands of Jedi running around anyways. If that meant people had too grind out 32 proffs, im sure they would have done it if they wanted to be Jedi bad enough.

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MasterGettingOnTerms wrote:
OP: you won't admit it but if u played pre cu u wouldn't be posting this.

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wrong, he has some good points

most people who cry about the old days are those bunch of players, who were uber.. got 1.2k exeptional weapons etc.