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dubber2558 wrote:

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Durzel wrote:
His point (if you bothered to read it) was that Force Armor expends force when you are hit, Aura expends force when you activate it, Valor expends force when you activate it.

Those three skills, logically speaking anyway, are "enhancement" skills - they enhance your existing innate Jedi defences.

Now, if they were just moved to Enhancer without any counter-balance (giving Defenders the equivalent innate armor/melee & ranged defence and lowering the effectiveness of Aura/Valor in the Enh tree to make it "not quite equivalent to Defender") then there would be problems.

The OP point is that if you look at it objectively - Aura, Armor, Valor are all skills that use up Force points, and augment your existing defences - hence they should by all rights be in the Enhancer tree.

Try looking beyond "just moving the skills and leaving them as-is" before jumping on your high horse please..

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Well, AI uses force and it augments/enhances your ability to stay alive so this is clearly an Enhancer Skill! OMG, give it a rest! Nerf Defender NERF DEFENDER! isn't that what you really meant?

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how im understanding this is aura and valor become just perma on, but instead of +500 it might be +400, valor goes from 45 to 35 but no Force cost. no time activating the skill nothing. Enhancer gets these abilites in our resist tree xx4x since it currently does nothing at all. cept a cool animation i personally like the resist states. it looks like Nova from Diablo 2, but i digress. how can you be outraged at this? enhancer has more crap they have to spend force on. yes and some abilities need to be removed from enhancer. we should not have snare/root.

lets vote. would you like to spend waht 600-800 force every min (i dont have the FC of valor and aura) for a +500 Def and +45 Saber block

or...

no force cost, non breechable +400 defense and +35 Saber block

/vote

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GeckoFighter wrote:

defender is sheer toughness, a defender doesnt need to use the force to modify his toughness. therefor Force Aura and Force Valor need to be nmoved to Enhancer because they 'enhancer' a defensive ability of the jedi. Since enhancer focuses on enhancing offensive and defensive powers it only makes sense to move those two moves into the enhancer tree. Defender doesnt need the extra defense in an enhancement, but it should be put in there as an inate, always active skill. (mabey not the 500 defense from aura but possibly 250 or so like center of being)

Defenders should be given the values of aura and valor as an inate ability, the only move that should cost them force (besides saber specials and heals) is Avoid Incap.

Enhancers should recieve Aura and Valor because it qualifys as their skill, using the force to enhance their mind and body for defense/offense

I was a defender and an enhancer, and i see no problem or nerf with this suggestion.

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GeckoFighter wrote:

defender is sheer toughness, a defender doesnt need to use the force to modify his toughness. therefor Force Aura and Force Valor need to be nmoved to Enhancer because they 'enhancer' a defensive ability of the jedi. Since enhancer focuses on enhancing offensive and defensive powers it only makes sense to move those two moves into the enhancer tree. Defender doesnt need the extra defense in an enhancement, but it should be put in there as an inate, always active skill. (mabey not the 500 defense from aura but possibly 250 or so like center of being)

Defenders should be given the values of aura and valor as an inate ability, the only move that should cost them force (besides saber specials and heals) is Avoid Incap.

Enhancers should recieve Aura and Valor because it qualifys as their skill, using the force to enhance their mind and body for defense/offense

I was a defender and an enhancer, and i see no problem or nerf with this suggestion.

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Defender is about defense not innate defense but Defense.

Enhancer used to be about enhancement, but the evolution of the skill trees have made it a garbage buck of skills now

If you rally want to look at it here is how it might go.

Ehnacer: Remove Regain conc, force drain, transfer force, force armor, force shield, force feedback, force wave, force suppression, statis

Add Force valor, force aura, force infusion, cloak.

Defender, Remove Avoid incap, force aura, force valor, statis

Add Force armor, force shield, force wave force suppression.

Healer: Remove force sap, shock

Add: regain conc, transfer force, Avoid incap

Powers Remove Cloak

Add; force drain, force feedback, force sap, force shock

Now you really can't do it becuase it imbalances things but it does shift skill to the trees that they actually might belong to, except cloak but it's hard to place.

Powers is seen as offensive in nature so sap, shock drain feedback make more sense there.

valor aura are really enhancement to existing skills, infusion can be though of as an enhancement to heath regen so Ehancer.

force armor shield are defences, force wave and suppression , statisare also defensive skills.

regain conc is basically self resurect so obvious healer, transfer force is basically the healing for force pool, avoid incap has better use in healer.

But in the end nothing is going to move. Force armor and shield, for the new jedi was actually in Defender in the first version of Defender before pub 9 went live and was deamed to overpowering and was shifted to enhancer.