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Thread: Jedi Underpowered? Deffinately!
KelaltheIFP wrote:
I agree with this post. There are alot of things in Game that shouldnt be... The Point about Jedi is just the Tip of the Iceberg..
This is supposed to be an Empire Divided.. However all I see are Rebels EVERYWHERE. The NPC Imperials are a Joke.. Seriously, any of you Rebel Players, do you even have the Slightest Fear of the Empire? The EVIL GALACTIC EMPIRE, the Tyrants, the Oppressors, Well do you? Are you Oppressed? The Answer, NO. This is not an Empire Divided this is a Republic Divided... This Games Timeline seems to be Just after the Return of the Jedi.. Just remove Darth vader and the Emporer.. I play this game hoping the EMPIRE will strike Back but it doesnt look like it.. I want to see Rebel Players Suffer under the Imperial RULE, give them somthing to REBEL Against.. AT-ST's both Faction Pets and NPC's are Walking CDEF Pistols... Storm Troopers are Nuna's in White Armor... PATHETIC.. Then there are the actual Professions.. They are all BORKED.. This is not Star Wars. this is EQII Space.... I can not belive George Lucas has aproved this pile of Junk.. Jedi Should be More Powerfull and More Mystical.. We should have a Reson to be in hiding... RISK and REWARD... Currently there is not enough RISK, and there is NOT ENOUGH Reward either..
Two Major Changes would go along way to make tyhis game feel more Star Warsy LIGHTSABER DAMAGE TYPE! and SABER TEF. Risk and Reward.. We dont Need the FRS.. What we need is actual Content for all professions, this games MAJOR content is Grindng with Friends... What Else is there? Quests you can only do once.. Or Destroy Missions.. Go Kill this Flag Camp.. JTL has yet to Tie in Space to Ground.. Wouldnt it be cool if you were up in space and HAD to Out Run an Imperial Cruiser or Face being Boarded... WHERE ARE THE STAR DESTROYERS we see from the Ground? What if the Empire was to be Feared... Rebel Sympathisers were Wanted Men and Women... An Empire Divided we would have..
Again I must say that the Original Post has some true points that hit close to home in my eyes.. There are alot of things they could do to make this GAME Great but choose to ignore us ... Claim the NDA or Place Talking Heads as Correspondants.. The lack of Communication by the Devs and thier Puppet Correospondants is Disgusting...
We need Drastic Changes ... Rebels are Fighting for Freedom from Oppression, I ask WHAT Opression? Do you see opression in game...? If you do can you show me where?
Jedi you say? We arent Jedi, we are Wizards with Flash Lights... Welcoem to EQII :Space Frontier.
I remember the First time I saw a jedi, I was speechless at the Sight.. it was SHOCK and AWE .... now I see Flashlights and I am like oh another Defender.. YAY.. The Mystical feeling has gone.. Make a Jedi's Life Hard but yet Rewarding... I dont want to be a God I want to walk arround with my cloak on and Suprise the crap out of some peopel.. show them the Shock and Awe I felt when I saw my first jedi...
WHERE IS THE BEEF?
Message Edited by KelaltheIFP on 10-09-2005 12:16 PM
/agree;/bump
Very well spoken.
Soulcaster wrote:
Before I start, I want to clerify I am a Jedi now, and was a MBH and always hunted Jedi.
Now...
...For all you Jedi out there that say "a BH should lose investigative skill boxes when he fails a jedi mission", need to GET A CLUE. Do you know how hard and annoying Investigation exp is. Not to mention not every BH that hunts jedi has amazing equipment and weapons (which is what it takes to take on a full temp..) So now you have BHs losing skill boxes and having to spend days just to get them back, only to die again eventually (maybe even right away) and do the whol process over again. We as Jedi dont lose skill boxes, so why do you want BHs to? You people just dont have any idea. You are bothered by BHs so you want their whole existance as a BH to be a hassle just because you dont like being hunted.
Personally I think all professions, when killed by another player, should lose exp in some way. Jedi exp for jedi, and Combat and weapon exp for reg professions. Mosts RPGs are alrady like this...it is a penalty for dieing. And i think this should be implimented. But by no means should characters lose already trained skill boxes.
Im sorry you misread the original post but I never said BH's should lose skill boxes, merely that as a penatly for dropping below 0 investigation that they be restricted to NPC marks as a remedial training action because they obviously arent tough enough to handle human opponents. As far as me liking being hunted, I look forward to it. Im not one of those Jedi that run. I only run if I discover that the battle can not be won (as any strategic person would). Just because I feel a situation is wrong doesnt mean that I cant enjoy that situation. I love when a BH comes for me. It's exciting and lets all face facts folks, this game could really use more excitement.
And BTW, I agree with you about all players suffering a penalty for death. It puts risk back into the game and makes you take it a little more seriously. The way EQ2 deals with death and xp loss is really nice. This game is too much like EQ already but that would be a welcome change. People need to have something to lose otherwise they lose all respect.
Konai, nice post. 
I disagree however on one of your requests
I think that Overtshould be left till knight, or a later level then beginning padawan. This is something that they should choose after experiencing the general jedi profession. In Star Wars, the jedi turn dark, except for sith, but there are only 2 in SWG, Vader and emperor. That makes me want to give special perks to each side of the force. Force Lightening to Dark side, for example. Make jedi abilities available to only those of their side of the force. Otherwise, I see no problem with your ideas and support them. I am still a little unclear on how u would cut down on the jedi population.
Elendyll wrote:
Konai, nice post.
ALL Jedi (even Padawans) are divided into light and dark sides and are permantly overt to the oposing side (the combatant/special forces rules could still apply here).
I think that Overtshould be left till knight, or a later level then beginning padawan. This is something that they should choose after experiencing the general jedi profession. In Star Wars, the jedi turn dark, except for sith, but there are only 2 in SWG, Vader and emperor. That makes me want to give special perks to each side of the force. Force Lightening to Dark side, for example. Make jedi abilities available to only those of their side of the force. Otherwise, I see no problem with your ideas and support them. I am still a little unclear on how u would cut down on the jedi population.
Ok, how about visibility not making you show on the terms but show to oposing Force faction members. That would be fairly correct, (since visibility is the disturbances in the Force that happen when people us it), and add some tensity to the game. As far as it being only a Knight thing, I disagree. Padawans need to learn early to stay hidden. The whole point of this thread was that the game is off track and the current situation is not only unacceptable but insane. Any creative ideas are completely welcome.
KonaiNobi wrote:
KelaltheIFP wrote:
I agree with this post. There are alot of things in Game that shouldnt be... The Point about Jedi is just the Tip of the Iceberg..
This is supposed to be an Empire Divided.. However all I see are Rebels EVERYWHERE. The NPC Imperials are a Joke.. Seriously, any of you Rebel Players, do you even have the Slightest Fear of the Empire? The EVIL GALACTIC EMPIRE, the Tyrants, the Oppressors, Well do you? Are you Oppressed? The Answer, NO. This is not an Empire Divided this is a Republic Divided... This Games Timeline seems to be Just after the Return of the Jedi.. Just remove Darth vader and the Emporer.. I play this game hoping the EMPIRE will strike Back but it doesnt look like it.. I want to see Rebel Players Suffer under the Imperial RULE, give them somthing to REBEL Against.. AT-ST's both Faction Pets and NPC's are Walking CDEF Pistols... Storm Troopers are Nuna's in White Armor... PATHETIC.. Then there are the actual Professions.. They are all BORKED.. This is not Star Wars. this is EQII Space.... I can not belive George Lucas has aproved this pile of Junk.. Jedi Should be More Powerfull and More Mystical.. We should have a Reson to be in hiding... RISK and REWARD... Currently there is not enough RISK, and there is NOT ENOUGH Reward either..
Two Major Changes would go along way to make tyhis game feel more Star Warsy LIGHTSABER DAMAGE TYPE! and SABER TEF. Risk and Reward.. We dont Need the FRS.. What we need is actual Content for all professions, this games MAJOR content is Grindng with Friends... What Else is there? Quests you can only do once.. Or Destroy Missions.. Go Kill this Flag Camp.. JTL has yet to Tie in Space to Ground.. Wouldnt it be cool if you were up in space and HAD to Out Run an Imperial Cruiser or Face being Boarded... WHERE ARE THE STAR DESTROYERS we see from the Ground? What if the Empire was to be Feared... Rebel Sympathisers were Wanted Men and Women... An Empire Divided we would have..
Again I must say that the Original Post has some true points that hit close to home in my eyes.. There are alot of things they could do to make this GAME Great but choose to ignore us ... Claim the NDA or Place Talking Heads as Correspondants.. The lack of Communication by the Devs and thier Puppet Correospondants is Disgusting...
We need Drastic Changes ... Rebels are Fighting for Freedom from Oppression, I ask WHAT Opression? Do you see opression in game...? If you do can you show me where?
Jedi you say? We arent Jedi, we are Wizards with Flash Lights... Welcoem to EQII :Space Frontier.
I remember the First time I saw a jedi, I was speechless at the Sight.. it was SHOCK and AWE .... now I see Flashlights and I am like oh another Defender.. YAY.. The Mystical feeling has gone.. Make a Jedi's Life Hard but yet Rewarding... I dont want to be a God I want to walk arround with my cloak on and Suprise the crap out of some peopel.. show them the Shock and Awe I felt when I saw my first jedi...
WHERE IS THE BEEF?
Message Edited by KelaltheIFP on 10-09-2005 12:16 PM
/agree;/bump
Very well spoken.
Thanks.
Please tel me if I am wrong at all... I have a Full Template Jedi, a MCM/BH ( Pre FoTM ) a RIfle/BH / FS ( 2 more boxes until Paddy Trials) and a Merchant.. All of which are Imperial.. This game has so much it can offer yet falls so short ... I would like to see the EMPIRE get Beefed up a Lil Bit... if you choose to join the Rebellion you Choose to Live life on the Dangerous Side.. You will be viewed as a Criminal in the Eyes of the Imperial Government. Hence somthing to REBEL against.. Again I ask you , do you feel oppressed? Are your Freedoms in Danger? Do you feel like you are a wanted person? Can you walk in public without fear of a Laser Brain Stormtrooper? Is this Star Wars to you? Becuase it is not what I was looking for... Empire Divided my arse.. THERE IS NO EMPIRE... sure you see stormtroopers.. But the Empire was EVIL and brought the Dark Times... I do not see that at allin game...It is a sad day when you se NPC Lord Vader Land in Theed only to have 5 Rebel Sympathisers Calling him an00b and Slapping him... Would vader even let you touch him? No he would have force choked youat the first sign of aggression.. Now that would be some one to Rebel Against...
And then there is Jedi , WHERE IS THE BEEF?
Devs have gone down the path of the Dark Side.. The Easy Way.... NERF IT... If it isnt working NERF those that are... If they arent working claim it is working as intended... If other professions arent able to work .. NERF EM ALL untill they are all BALUANCED... NERF EM NERF EM ALLL!!!!
Time for us to stop the NERFING EMPIRE... REBEL Against it... Nerfing is not the answer... hate to Quote Star Trek on a Star Wars Board but sue me.... DEV's WE NEED MORE POWER... as in the Entire Player Base not just Jedi.. if you must Nerf.. Nerf your Nerf Bat... HA! sorry bad joke..
I agree with this post. There are alot of things in Game that shouldnt be... The Point about Jedi is just the Tip of the Iceberg..
This is supposed to be an Empire Divided.. However all I see are Rebels EVERYWHERE. The NPC Imperials are a Joke.. Seriously, any of you Rebel Players, do you even have the Slightest Fear of the Empire? The EVIL GALACTIC EMPIRE, the Tyrants, the Oppressors, Well do you? Are you Oppressed? The Answer, NO. This is not an Empire Divided this is a Republic Divided... This Games Timeline seems to be Just after the Return of the Jedi.. Just remove Darth vader and the Emporer.. I play this game hoping the EMPIRE will strike Back but it doesnt look like it.. I want to see Rebel Players Suffer under the Imperial RULE, give them somthing to REBEL Against.. AT-ST's both Faction Pets and NPC's are Walking CDEF Pistols... Storm Troopers are Nuna's in White Armor... PATHETIC.. Then there are the actual Professions.. They are all BORKED.. This is not Star Wars. this is EQII Space.... I can not belive George Lucas has aproved this pile of Junk.. Jedi Should be More Powerfull and More Mystical.. We should have a Reson to be in hiding... RISK and REWARD... Currently there is not enough RISK, and there is NOT ENOUGH Reward either..
Two Major Changes would go along way to make tyhis game feel more Star Warsy LIGHTSABER DAMAGE TYPE! and SABER TEF. Risk and Reward.. We dont Need the FRS.. What we need is actual Content for all professions, this games MAJOR content is Grindng with Friends... What Else is there? Quests you can only do once.. Or Destroy Missions.. Go Kill this Flag Camp.. JTL has yet to Tie in Space to Ground.. Wouldnt it be cool if you were up in space and HAD to Out Run an Imperial Cruiser or Face being Boarded... WHERE ARE THE STAR DESTROYERS we see from the Ground? What if the Empire was to be Feared... Rebel Sympathisers were Wanted Men and Women... An Empire Divided we would have..
Again I must say that the Original Post has some true points that hit close to home in my eyes.. There are alot of things they could do to make this GAME Great but choose to ignore us ... Claim the NDA or Place Talking Heads as Correspondants.. The lack of Communication by the Devs and thier Puppet Correospondants is Disgusting...
We need Drastic Changes ... Rebels are Fighting for Freedom from Oppression, I ask WHAT Opression? Do you see opression in game...? If you do can you show me where?
Jedi you say? We arent Jedi, we are Wizards with Flash Lights... Welcoem to EQII :Space Frontier.
I remember the First time I saw a jedi, I was speechless at the Sight.. it was SHOCK and AWE .... now I see Flashlights and I am like oh another Defender.. YAY.. The Mystical feeling has gone.. Make a Jedi's Life Hard but yet Rewarding... I dont want to be a God I want to walk arround with my cloak on and Suprise the crap out of some peopel.. show them the Shock and Awe I felt when I saw my first jedi...
WHERE IS THE BEEF?
Message Edited by KelaltheIFP on 10-09-2005 12:16 PM
KelaltheIFP wrote:
I agree with this post. There are alot of things in Game that shouldnt be... The Point about Jedi is just the Tip of the Iceberg..
This is supposed to be an Empire Divided.. However all I see are Rebels EVERYWHERE. The NPC Imperials are a Joke.. Seriously, any of you Rebel Players, do you even have the Slightest Fear of the Empire? The EVIL GALACTIC EMPIRE, the Tyrants, the Oppressors, Well do you? Are you Oppressed? The Answer, NO. This is not an Empire Divided this is a Republic Divided... This Games Timeline seems to be Just after the Return of the Jedi.. Just remove Darth vader and the Emporer.. I play this game hoping the EMPIRE will strike Back but it doesnt look like it.. I want to see Rebel Players Suffer under the Imperial RULE, give them somthing to REBEL Against.. AT-ST's both Faction Pets and NPC's are Walking CDEF Pistols... Storm Troopers are Nuna's in White Armor... PATHETIC.. Then there are the actual Professions.. They are all BORKED.. This is not Star Wars. this is EQII Space.... I can not belive George Lucas has aproved this pile of Junk.. Jedi Should be More Powerfull and More Mystical.. We should have a Reson to be in hiding... RISK and REWARD... Currently there is not enough RISK, and there is NOT ENOUGH Reward either..
Two Major Changes would go along way to make tyhis game feel more Star Warsy LIGHTSABER DAMAGE TYPE! and SABER TEF. Risk and Reward.. We dont Need the FRS.. What we need is actual Content for all professions, this games MAJOR content is Grindng with Friends... What Else is there? Quests you can only do once.. Or Destroy Missions.. Go Kill this Flag Camp.. JTL has yet to Tie in Space to Ground.. Wouldnt it be cool if you were up in space and HAD to Out Run an Imperial Cruiser or Face being Boarded... WHERE ARE THE STAR DESTROYERS we see from the Ground? What if the Empire was to be Feared... Rebel Sympathisers were Wanted Men and Women... An Empire Divided we would have..
Again I must say that the Original Post has some true points that hit close to home in my eyes.. There are alot of things they could do to make this GAME Great but choose to ignore us ... Claim the NDA or Place Talking Heads as Correspondants.. The lack of Communication by the Devs and thier Puppet Correospondants is Disgusting...
We need Drastic Changes ... Rebels are Fighting for Freedom from Oppression, I ask WHAT Opression? Do you see opression in game...? If you do can you show me where?
Jedi you say? We arent Jedi, we are Wizards with Flash Lights... Welcoem to EQII :Space Frontier.
I remember the First time I saw a jedi, I was speechless at the Sight.. it was SHOCK and AWE .... now I see Flashlights and I am like oh another Defender.. YAY.. The Mystical feeling has gone.. Make a Jedi's Life Hard but yet Rewarding... I dont want to be a God I want to walk arround with my cloak on and Suprise the crap out of some peopel.. show them the Shock and Awe I felt when I saw my first jedi...
WHERE IS THE BEEF?
Message Edited by KelaltheIFP on 10-09-2005 12:16 PM
I could not agree more. We need to be part of the world. Not feeling like spectators in it. We have no impact in this place. It is more like a fancy chat program than an MMO. I don't agree with everything from the original post but I agree with the spirit of it whole heartedly. As for KelaltheIFP, I think you have hit the proverbial nail on the head.
Pday wrote:
966 max, 1.98 base speed, 65 sac featherweight and you wont burn any action.
lovisa wrote:
KonaiNobi wrote:
lovisa wrote:
well if i hit a level 80 3 times without heals he are dead yes and with a 1000dps gun (wich is speed pupped) you hit 3 times but if you oponent heal even once or twice then you are out of action and do more or less 2-300dps max if you are lucky this mean if you are able to kill in the first 2-5 sec then your mates gun is better if not your saber is way better becourse your action is there and his is not so you can go on swing your saber but he need to wait for his action to regain
You must be using the wrong foods/spices mate. The BH's I fight have action that is nearly impossible to drop below half. I spent over 30 minutes fighting a MBH/CM on Dath the other day. I consistantly ran out of action, mind and Force (thankfully not all at the same time). Had to pop a holo even. The BH I was fighting never ran out of action or mind once.
i never run out of action so my food is enought for me
but i doubt any BH use speed pup like your mate did
have you ever used a speed puped gun?
i have and your action run out like water in sahara and yes my alt is BH so i know the diffrens and i should never use any speed pup against any jedi
lovisa wrote:
KonaiNobi wrote:
lovisa wrote:
well if i hit a level 80 3 times without heals he are dead yes and with a 1000dps gun (wich is speed pupped) you hit 3 times but if you oponent heal even once or twice then you are out of action and do more or less 2-300dps max if you are lucky this mean if you are able to kill in the first 2-5 sec then your mates gun is better if not your saber is way better becourse your action is there and his is not so you can go on swing your saber but he need to wait for his action to regain
You must be using the wrong foods/spices mate. The BH's I fight have action that is nearly impossible to drop below half. I spent over 30 minutes fighting a MBH/CM on Dath the other day. I consistantly ran out of action, mind and Force (thankfully not all at the same time). Had to pop a holo even. The BH I was fighting never ran out of action or mind once.
i never run out of action so my food is enought for me
but i doubt any BH use speed pup like your mate did
have you ever used a speed puped gun?
i have and your action run out like water in sahara and yes my alt is BH so i know the diffrens and i should never use any speed pup against any jedi
If this is true then it is definitely you that doesn't understand how to play their BH. Speed PuPs remain the best constant series of damage, usable in any attack or defense position, and I can keep my action at 75% for an hour, easily, using them. Your problem may be that you simply spam specials too much and don't look for weaknesses. Probably also indicative of your stance on these matters. You simply have no idea what you're talking about, and fully expect others to be as ignorant.
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