Jedi Archive
Thread: Would You Give Up Your Jedi for the Good of the Game?
Onisamu
Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:18 pm
#66
Whats star wars without jedi? Besides, this game has already been determined to be outside of the EU and canon. They cant cap the amount of jedi either, it wouldnt be fair to all players. Its impossible to have a game with certain things only available to a limited amount of players. Maybe removing them from the GCW would help but who knows what can of worms that would open up.
Angamarth
Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:19 pm
#67
beantownphan wrote:
Most of you would probably say "no." The countless hours spent grinding and so forth, I know it would be a lot to ask. Yes, I do have a jedi and have also spent hours/days grinding him.
However, I can't help but think the game would be much much better without jedi at all. Imo it was a big mistake to implement the jedi system in the first place. Around December of 03 when people realized they had to master 5 professions (or 29), the game hasn't been the same. Instead of giving holo's for Christmas the devsshould have capped the jedis and taken the system out.
The simple fact is: according to EP3 and the movies we love, there are5 (6 if you count Leia's potential) jedi left with the possibility of some stragglers. I am just sick of jedi running rampant. Can you go to a starport without hearing the hum of a lightsaber? I don't care if they are overpowered, underpowered or whatever. They, we shouldn't be there.
However, there isn't much more you can do to fix this at this point. Every time the devs have tried to fix the system it has gotten worse for one side or the other. So I ask this community, would you be willing to give up your jedi? Of course we would need to get something in return, possibly a character with 50% more skill points, or a year of free subscription to the game, I don't know.You just have to weigh the positives and negatives .
With the implementation of the CU, JTL and ROTW, there is lots of new content that goes unused. The GCW has so much potential and should be the focus of the game, not jedi grinding. The powergamers would spend time trying to outfox the enemy in the GCW and working in teams instead of grinding.
I know your answer is "no", but this is just my 2 creds. My answer, I would have to think about, but I think in the end it would be "yes," for the good of the game.
The fact is, according to the EU, which this game is a part of, there are many Jedi in hiding. If you can convince the Devs to make hundreds of planets, I'll gladly go into hiding and you'll never see me.
However, with only 11 planets and an average of 2-3 starports on each, guess what? you're going to run into Jedi.
You say the GCW has so much potential and should be the focus of the game, I say that it's a pipe dream. The devs implemented planetary control via bases, even made the SF bases count more. How much work has the PvP community done on your server to try to control the different planets? On mine, none. The planets have not changed sides once. Imps control Naboo, Rebs control Tatooine and Corellia. Wait, I know what you're going to say, "There's no incentive to try to take the planets," right? Well, if you have to have a reason to force people into the GCW, then I guess it's not really that fun. If it was fun, that's what people would be doing. I'd say that if the GCW is 'dead' it's because too many people find it unenjoyable.
Personally, I am using the RotW, and JtL content, as are most of my guild. How exactly is this content going unused? If people aren't doing the GCW, what are they doing? In the CU, grinding isn't about solo groups anymore, so my guildmates that are changing skillsets (those that somehow didn't get where they wanted in the respec) are grouping and we're hunting off the mission terminals out of our city on Tatooine, something that would have been impossible pre-CU. Isn't that using CU content?
I fail to see how Jedi being in the game ruins it for us at all.
Cafa
Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:24 pm
#68
Real simple, if you feel this strong about the subject, delete your jedi, shut the hell up and move on.
Fivo Asia
Etyrnal
Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:27 pm
#69
Does this mean I wouldget my money back and get paid for the time I put into the character that would be deleted?
Ares112
Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:00 pm
#74
No for nothing but I purchased and have been playing this game because I could obtain a jedi. Now that I have 1. Theres not a chance in h*ll I would give him up. it doesn't hurt to ask though. lol
Anaalin
Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:04 pm
#75
Nope, would not give it up.
Was the whole reason I bought this game in the first place.
StormTroopercpt0
Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:05 pm
#76
it is clear by this and many other threads just how deep this jedi vs non-jedi animosity runs. The jedi OFTEN refer to non jedi as 'laymen', 'laypersons', 'mundanes', 'interactive NPC' and so on and so forth. They somehow have arrived at this sense of self entitlement that is evident in EVERYTHING they do and post. Everyhing should be given to them because they spent 6 months grinding. Wow, I have been playing this game since early beta.
I have ground professions when some of these new players were still potty training. Every day I spend on average 30-60 minutes just filling out bug reports. I have been accepted to every Beta test and during those phases commited 3-4 hours a day finding and reporting bugs comming up with every way to break something I can think of. That kind of 'work' clearly is much much MUCH greater than the kind of 'work' some jedi spends playing a game and yet I have no special 'I win' button that makes these jedi fall over dead when they come within 30m of me. I dont fill the forums with page after page requesting you elevate everything specific to me and all the while bring down everyone around me.
This arguement of work involved shouldnt get even a minuscule bit of consideration. The hard grind is there to make them rare, not make them elite. It could take 2 years and they be no more powerful than a regular player and the long grind is STILL justified becaues it exists for the sole purpose of making jedi rare. Now previously I explained that better ways exist to make jedi rare, but currently this is the only one and you keep reducing this 'penalty' which makes jedi less and less rare. First there was a hard grind, an unknown way to become jedi, and permadeath. Then it was a known way to grind, permadeath and a long grind.
This arguement of work involved shouldnt get even a minuscule bit of consideration. The hard grind is there to make them rare, not make them elite. It could take 2 years and they be no more powerful than a regular player and the long grind is STILL justified becaues it exists for the sole purpose of making jedi rare. Now previously I explained that better ways exist to make jedi rare, but currently this is the only one and you keep reducing this 'penalty' which makes jedi less and less rare. First there was a hard grind, an unknown way to become jedi, and permadeath. Then it was a known way to grind, permadeath and a long grind.
Then its a known system and a long grind but 3 deaths within 2 weeks for permadeath to take affect. Then its a known long grind and you lose a skill box every time you die. Then its an XP loss on death and a known grind. Then its revamped so they get their own nondefendable damage type by the majority of us 'mundane' not to mention the entire PVE arena, a quest and a long grind with XP loss. Then we get a CU which brings them from 8x more powerful than any other profession in the game to just 1.5x more powerful (if you cant do the math dont bother replying). Then they removed XP loss on PVE death. Then they removed XP loss on PVP death that isnt from a bounty hunter.
They fear NOTHING and flaunt their robes and their sabers everywhere. They force meditate and channel force in cantinas. They pvp in front of starports. Now they are actively campaigning to systematically get every SINGLE special nerfed that has a chance of taking them down because 'afterall I'm a Jedi and mundanes shouldnt be able to kill me because they are just stupid mundanes'. I even had a Jedi on Chilastra named -Ultra send a email to a guildie once about how he owned the geo cave and it was his right to prevent anyone else from grinding there because SOE has elevated him to the status of GOD and GOD has decree'd that noone else is allowed in there.
They fear NOTHING and flaunt their robes and their sabers everywhere. They force meditate and channel force in cantinas. They pvp in front of starports. Now they are actively campaigning to systematically get every SINGLE special nerfed that has a chance of taking them down because 'afterall I'm a Jedi and mundanes shouldnt be able to kill me because they are just stupid mundanes'. I even had a Jedi on Chilastra named -Ultra send a email to a guildie once about how he owned the geo cave and it was his right to prevent anyone else from grinding there because SOE has elevated him to the status of GOD and GOD has decree'd that noone else is allowed in there.
They pick and they pick and they chisel and they weasel every SINGLE change one at a time. They will never be happy until you finally change it to a ingame form that one submits requesting jedi and upon aproval (which is mandated all forms are automatically approved) they get to type /firstspec on their next login and just choose the boxes in jedi they would like to have. Mark my words, next they will start demanding the XP requirements of each box be lowered if they havent already.
Nearly all of the rest of us 'peons/laypeople/mundanes' are so sick of the jedi and their Holier than Thou attitude, you can almost feel the hate dripping off the walls. If you run astromech stats on the respec I bet will find an overwhelming amout of players that took up BH just because they are so sick of Jedi. They give nothing to the community, they have been made entirely self sufficent. They need no clothing. They need no weapons. They need no armor. They usually dont even need docs to heal their wounds. I and many others in my guild and on servers across all galaxy want to know one simple thing, we have one meager request:
CanWe PLEASE create a galaxy cluster for us and make it a NO JEDI galaxy?!
Nearly all of the rest of us 'peons/laypeople/mundanes' are so sick of the jedi and their Holier than Thou attitude, you can almost feel the hate dripping off the walls. If you run astromech stats on the respec I bet will find an overwhelming amout of players that took up BH just because they are so sick of Jedi. They give nothing to the community, they have been made entirely self sufficent. They need no clothing. They need no weapons. They need no armor. They usually dont even need docs to heal their wounds. I and many others in my guild and on servers across all galaxy want to know one simple thing, we have one meager request:
CanWe PLEASE create a galaxy cluster for us and make it a NO JEDI galaxy?!
Arconis_Runicblade
Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:05 pm
#77
Personally I would if I get certain compansation...
By Compensation I don't mean credits, or items... what I want is Content and lots of it... I want huge pvp battles in battlefields, I want to feel like I am in the middle of a great battle between rebels and Imperails... I want to see palyer ships flying in the night sky battling it out as the battles rages on the ground... I want to see ships fall to the ground in grand explosions!
I want to see smugglers getting caught by the empereor and jabaa putting a bounty on them because they were boarded... I want to see the empire's grip on the galaxy...
Only when things like this are in this game would I be willing to give up my jedi... what am I saying? I am saying I want content and lots of it in this game and want to "feel" like I am a member of the rebel alliance fighting the ruthless and iron fisted empire....