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Thread: A Primer on Jedi Templates (Revised and Updated 9/18)
HavelockVetinari
Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:55 pm
#67
Marsirion wrote:
"Master sabers 4004 heal 4200 enhance 4003 defender"
Does anyone know if this is better in defence than having force armor 2?
(Master sabers, 4404 enhance, 4304 heal, nov defender)
Force Armor 2 will suck down your force pool fairly quickly, so some people prefer jedi toughness and melee defense. Force Armor 2 provides better protection but with limited sustainability. Force Armor 1 in that template can provide some added defense with less force cost. If you're going to be dueling, you want to conserve force as best you can, so the more Defender heavy template would definitely be better for one on one PvP.
Xeero
Sun Sep 12, 2004 8:03 pm
#68
Very helpful post. Thanks for the info. Now if I can only get this far I at least know my thoughts for what I wanted to play will work 
Zyla
Sun Sep 12, 2004 8:14 pm
#69
i have had 4020 powers, 4303 enhance before i dropped down all of powers, picked up 4004 def, dropped down to 0003 enhance, the only thing i miss is the terrain negotation of force run. i never noticed any difference with force speed and healing.
current template is stated in primer, mls 4004 def 4004 heal 0003 enh novice b.
you could also drop enhance and go up 4314 defender, and keep novice brawler still, you'd have no channel or drain force though. but if you ask me, ranged defense isn't all too bad and is not thought of considering we block so much, but let someone pound on you with thermal detonators while others are keeping you occupied on the ground kd'd and you'll wish you had some.
current template is stated in primer, mls 4004 def 4004 heal 0003 enh novice b.
you could also drop enhance and go up 4314 defender, and keep novice brawler still, you'd have no channel or drain force though. but if you ask me, ranged defense isn't all too bad and is not thought of considering we block so much, but let someone pound on you with thermal detonators while others are keeping you occupied on the ground kd'd and you'll wish you had some.
Message Edited by Zyla on 09-12-2004 10:17 PM
madogg
Sun Sep 12, 2004 8:43 pm
#70
I'm not a jedi yet, but I will be soon. This is the template I was thinking about.
Master LS
Enhancer 4003
Defender 4000
Healer 4204
Any commments are welcome.
Master LS
Enhancer 4003
Defender 4000
Healer 4204
Any commments are welcome.
BF-Onslaught
Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:27 am
#71
HavelockVetinari wrote:
The New Flavor of the Month: Master Lightsaber, Master Healer, 4004 Enhancer
<---- Pioneer.
-Ferox-
Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:36 am
#72
HavelockVetinari wrote:
-Ferox- wrote:
Can you link me to the post where a notable community member went with master defender master sabers 4004 enhancer? I'm serioulsy considering this template and I think he and I may be on the same page. My idea is that it's as difficult to stand through a dizzy as it is to clear states and stand before another dizzy hits you forcing you to flop. The idea behind the build is each and everytime you decide to engage, anywhere at any time you've got almost 5 straight minutes of avoid incap before you start to hurt for force. Since you're running a 25 second avoid incap macro to ensure it's never off you have zero need for heals of any kind. When your force gets to about 25% you hit up force run 2 and escape the hot zone and channel/meditate to full while the doc's tend to your wounds. 3 minutes of down time and you're right back into the fight busting up turrets and making life impossible for ranged enemies as you force run 1 around the battlefield literally invincible for 5 minute intervals.
Renairdor has this template. The problem with this is that you can't Avoid Incap while KDed, so it's risky. In addition, intimidate will land on you pretty much every time, and blind and stun will further eviscerate your DPS. Of course Ren knows the template better than me, so there may be ways around this I can't see. I'm curious to hear at least the basic mechanics of how he makes it work.
I was told you CAN use avoid incap while on the ground.
Redleg34
Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:49 am
#73
Fantastic primer! Now if someone could do a quick one for new Padawans. Anyway good job.
Sticky This!
HavelockVetinari
Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:55 am
#74
-Ferox- wrote:
HavelockVetinari wrote:
-Ferox- wrote:
Can you link me to the post where a notable community member went with master defender master sabers 4004 enhancer? I'm serioulsy considering this template and I think he and I may be on the same page. My idea is that it's as difficult to stand through a dizzy as it is to clear states and stand before another dizzy hits you forcing you to flop. The idea behind the build is each and everytime you decide to engage, anywhere at any time you've got almost 5 straight minutes of avoid incap before you start to hurt for force. Since you're running a 25 second avoid incap macro to ensure it's never off you have zero need for heals of any kind. When your force gets to about 25% you hit up force run 2 and escape the hot zone and channel/meditate to full while the doc's tend to your wounds. 3 minutes of down time and you're right back into the fight busting up turrets and making life impossible for ranged enemies as you force run 1 around the battlefield literally invincible for 5 minute intervals.
Renairdor has this template. The problem with this is that you can't Avoid Incap while KDed, so it's risky. In addition, intimidate will land on you pretty much every time, and blind and stun will further eviscerate your DPS. Of course Ren knows the template better than me, so there may be ways around this I can't see. I'm curious to hear at least the basic mechanics of how he makes it work.
I was told you CAN use avoid incap while on the ground.
Huh. I may have to test that. Maybe it was lag that nailed my AI and not being on my back. If you can do it lying down, that certainly makes life more interesting.
BirkoffTTB
Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:33 am
#75
I am not even a jedi (but working on it) and the act of working on a template is mind boggling.
Here are my two thoughs
TKA 4/0/0/4
Defender 3/0/4/0 (or 0/0/4/3)
MLS
Heal (4/0/0/0)
I dont care much for going knight with the current FRS system so I liked the idea of boosted melee defense, intimidate, warcry, meditate, etc from TKA and still have decent melee defense and self heal but little control over my force pool.
I also was a little conflicted about mixing jedi skills with non-fs skills and if the FRS is ever fixed or the revamp fixes everything I would want a pure jedi build so I made
MLS
Defender 4/0/4/4
Healing 4/4/0/4
Which you know makes me able to take care of myself, a much bigger force pool than with TKA in the mix, and better state defense, jedi toughness. But again with no enchanter I have little to no control over my force pool, But i am not sure what I am willing to give up to even get 0/0/0/2 in enchant
HavelockVetinari
Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:59 am
#76
madogg wrote:
I'm not a jedi yet, but I will be soon. This is the template I was thinking about.
Master LS
Enhancer 4003
Defender 4000
Healer 4204
Any commments are welcome.
That should would out well for you in PvP and be reasonably viable in PvE, too. Healer x2xx is really nice to have, I had to drop it for skillpoints, and I miss it a lot.
ShotGunWilly
Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:41 am
#77
Working on my FS right now and got my template in mind
Master LS
Master Power (I know it broken but played so many broken profs and have loved them in the last year)
Enhancer 4/0/0/4
I am a PVE player so not planing on going night at all unless combat truly gets fixed in the magical and mistical Combat fix.