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Thread: *** The Great Dark Force Wielder Template: MPowers/MEnhancer/Healer 4040 (Lord Vartonis Update)
JediBran wrote:
The sheer amount of stuff you can do with this template makes it awfully tempting... however I just can't justify itin the RP playing a light-side jedi. I may save my respec token and try this out if I ever decide to go dark.
Looks like it's a blast though! Great write up Hottie.
Thanks.
And you are right, that's why it's fun... so many things you can do with this template. I was awfully lucky since I grinded MLS/MD/Healer 4-4-0-0 pre-CU as it's probably a nightmare to grind this with no LS, unless you group the whole time and use force hit from range. Just watch for those BHs. If MPowers does become powerful oncd it gets fixed, I fear we'll see a lot of respec MPowers appear in the next months or so. At least I can take credit for respec'ing to it while it was still gimped, lol!
It really is the perfect dark jedi template with the limited number of skill points we have. It keeps all the dirty nasty little tricksies that nobody enjoys having done to them. The skills whose names have been turned into insults. (Cloaker, Drainer, Runner, etc.)
Don't take this template if you want to be popular...or if you have a problem keeping track of what you should do. It's VERY tactical...takes a lot of careful use...but is great to have one of these guys in a group.
Hottie,
I coudln't agree with your post more. I am a Mpower template, but not a double mastery. I love it. I am a smart player though and not an idiot like 95% of the other jedi out there. People in my guild slam powers ALL the time and tell me how powers suck how weak it is. I tell them, "IT IS THE ENTIRE TEMPLATE" that you build with powers that makes it great for the role it is suppose to fill.
Regardless, to the person who said a mpowers can not win a duel and looses to all BHs they are one of those mindless macro idiots. Fist off I DESTROY bhs with my template. I was speced with the FoTM to try it out and it took me longer to kill a BH that way than I do now. Simply because of the root/snare/kiting that a BH does to a melee.
I have dueled every MLS/MDef who thinks powers/my template sucks and NOT one has been able to kill me. The rules we make for the duel are simple, no force drain and if I cloak and run away that is giving up (which this final part isn't really fair, but I agree to it). Needless to say, most of the fights end in draws where the MLS/MDef are unable to kill me and after 30 mins to an hour we call it a draw. NOT once in any of my duels that we call a draw has my force been lower than 40 to 50%. Yet every MLS/MDef I have faced has been out of force/mind/action for the entire duel.
People slam powers all the time saying Mdef/MLS will destroy them. This cracks me up, because they haven't taken into account the rest of the MPowers template, but they sure do take into account the Mdef/MLS full template. First and foremost the templates you build are bound by your abilities as a player. From there it is based on the template you build.
BTW I am Mpowers/0 0 4 0 def/4 0 4 0 Healer/4 0 0 4 enhancer/novice saber. I love this template and not one person has been able to shut me down. Yes I lack the offense to kill some jedi one on one, but that is not why i built this template. I built it to be able to slaughter BHs, espeically Combat medic/Rifle mixers (and I do with ease), to be able to fill a SUPPORT back line fighting role, and because it fits my play style. When they lower the FC and tweek Mpowers a little, I will be eating those defenders up.
Message Edited by Bobaku on 06-17-2005 04:28 AM
Bongo2k wrote:
Im tempted...
Zutono wrote:
It really is the perfect dark jedi template with the limited number of skill points we have. It keeps all the dirty nasty little tricksies that nobody enjoys having done to them. The skills whose names have been turned into insults. (Cloaker, Drainer, Runner, etc.)
Don't take this template if you want to be popular...or if you have a problem keeping track of what you should do. It's VERY tactical...takes a lot of careful use...but is great to have one of these guys in a group.
Hottie,
I have pondered this on another thread here, no harm in repeating I guess....
I am interested in the differences between 4400 and 0040 - both seem popular, and given that most don't want to master defender, but do want some defences i wonder which is more effective. Personally, I still think 4400 as it covers ranged and melee without force usage, even though it uses more skill points.
If i were to do more defender it would be 4404 for the force defence. Only AI would make me do more (had it, wonderful ability...got bored...)
Afee
AfeeElandra wrote:
Hottie,
I have pondered this on another thread here, no harm in repeating I guess....
I am interested in the differences between 4400 and 0040 - both seem popular, and given that most don't want to master defender, but do want some defences i wonder which is more effective. Personally, I still think 4400 as it covers ranged and melee without force usage, even though it uses more skill points.
If i were to do more defender it would be 4404 for the force defence. Only AI would make me do more (had it, wonderful ability...got bored...)
Afee
GOOD POST!
MsNiL wrote:
Force Armor + Innate Armor = 56% armor, not 70%.
You need to subtract 45% first, then 20%. They are not accumulated.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 06-17-2005 04:07 PM
We are talking POINTS here, rather than % too.
i.e. 70 points (at MDef) = 7000 armour rating = about 58% reduction in damage
It works like armour ratings I believe.
So, 56 reduction = 5600 armour = about 50% reduction
The actual damage reduction between 4400 and MDef isnt that much as once you get over 5000 armour points the return is very small (50 > 70 is about 8% reduction).
. I really am a fan of Master Powers , being an Imp, but I worrie that the DPS will not be there to counter the DPS of Saber. I am also a fan of a duel master template, so I ask the crowd or Hottie. Has anyone tried MP/MH/ 4/0/0/4 enahncer? I would have a hard time giving up MLS, yes I am attached to my glow stick. Jedi are associated with the glow stick, but Dark jedi associated with Powers. I do have a strange hope that the DEVS would add duel weilding Sabers to the master tree......humm maybe FRS? I realize that is a dream.....I have my "last" "tokin" respec left. I am holding out to the last min. or when the FRS is announced to help me in this.
tellis wrote:
Oh I really do hate you for this post
Lol, so many people seem to hate me for this post... I guess I have aknack for making a gimped template sound interesting...
I must say I have never tried MP/MH/4-0-0-4 enhancer. I tried these templates as my main contenders during respec:
- MP/ME/Healer 4-0-4-0 (mylast choice and current template, which I love)
- MLS/MD/Healer 4-4-0-0 (the template i grinded to knight pre-CU and experimented in CU)
- MLS/MD/Healer 4-0-4-0 (almost the same, but with sap this time, the great FOTM, I mainly wanted to craft some sabers before respec was over, played with it a bit too...)
- MP/MD/Healer 2-0-0-0/Enhancer 0-0-0-3 (wanted to see how powers would cope given uber defenses... little enhancer kills the fun)
As a dark jedi, MH does not sit well, of course. I also fail to see the intensive to master it. I would also have a hard time with a template without some defender or force armor. Very fragile, at least you have good heals but it keeps you very busy.
I would be curious to hear about this one though... anyone?