Jedi Archive

well lets just hope this is a bug, along with alot of other things that is bugged on tc....we just need a direct answer if we will or will not have to use our existing skill boxes on FS skills or will our unused xp that is going to carry over be used for FS boxes then we can use our boxes for jedi skills after the unused xp is used up, or whatever the way is going to be....we just need answers.

Proof that people will whine about everything:

Old System:
Initiate Lightsaber 1: 2500 xp = 2.5k Jedi xp
Initiate Lightsaber 2: 15000 xp = 15k Jedi xp
Initiate Lightsaber 3: 25000 xp = 25k Jedi xp
Healing I = 20k Jedi XP
Force I = 50k XP
Manipulation I = 50k
--------------------
6 boxes Totaling 162.5k Jedi XP

New System: (Worst Case)
Skill 1: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (15k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (45k Jedi XP) = 66k
Skill 2: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (15k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (45k Jedi XP) = 66k
Skill 3: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (15k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (45k Jedi XP) = 66k
Skill 4: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (15k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (45k Jedi XP) = 66k
Skill 5: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (15k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (45k Jedi XP) = 66k
Skill 6: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (15k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (45k Jedi XP) = 66k
--------------------
6 boxes (of credit) Totaling 330k Jedi XP

New System: (Best Case)
Skill 1: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (10k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (15k Jedi XP) = 31k
Skill 2: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (10k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (15k Jedi XP) = 31k
Skill 3: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (10k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (15k Jedi XP) = 31k
Skill 4: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (10k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (15k Jedi XP) = 31k
Skill 5: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (10k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (15k Jedi XP) = 31k
Skill 6: Tier1 (1k Jedi XP) + Tier2 (5k Jedi XP) + Tier3 (10k Jedi XP) + Tier4 (15k Jedi XP) = 31k
--------------------
6 boxes (of credit) Totaling 186k Jedi XP

To explain I took the 6 easiest boxes in the old system and compared it with 6 branches of pre-padawan skills. According to swgexplorer, the branches vary from requiring from 31k to 66k; I gave 2 examples of best to worse examples, your final choice in skills will probably be somewhere between these two extremes.

Summary:
Basically regardless of what 6 branches you take you are getting an XP gain over the old system. The people who want a straight XP conversion obviously have no clue what is going on, you would end up spending MORE xp if you bought those boxes as compared to getting credit for them in the 1-1 (well, 1-1 branch) conversion.

You guys have to be fair here, a 2500 lightsaber xp box is NOT equal to a 200k jedi xp box, a 75000 lightsaber xp box is NOT equal to a 1.6million jedi xp box. Everyone is getting credit for their achievements on an XP basis. As for the people who are complaining that they grinded Apprentice for nothing, give me a break, you got pretty much 7 gimme boxes (4 lightsaber boxes + 3 tier 1 boxes) for next to nothing. Calculate the Jedi XP cost of Apprentice + 2h LS1-4 + tier 1 skills, and compare it to what you would get for it in the new system. All the hard grinds in the current tree lead to a couple of really easy boxes, it averages out.

I really suggest everyone who is "against" this convertion to check out the many XP comparision threads to see how much XP you are gaining. Is this system perfect? Nope. But I think it's an honest try from devs to make it fair.

XP comparison is really not the point.

The point is that you will be losing a LOT of your skills in the conversion.

When my TC Jedi was converted, I lost all of my healing skills, all of my force power skills, and to top it all off, I could not even wear armor while fighting.

As an old style Padawan I could hunt anywhere and kill most things. Now I have to tow a doctor or CM behind me to go to the same places, and even then it takes MUCH longer to kill anything.

the problem is thatpeople are comparing numbers from two different systems and because they are both indeed numbersthey aremaking value judgements on them. a few things to consider:

1) the jedi xp that the FS lines cost will not be accrued by jedi. in the quest system this will be accrued somehow by characters that do not have any force powers or a lightsaber... we have no idea as to the rate of jedi xp or the method. what this means to me is that we should not even be talking about the xp costs of these FS lines and lumping them in with post-padawan (new-system terms) jedi xp, which will undoubtedly be accrued in ways similar to the current methods.

2) the fact of the matter is in the old system people spent their time on grinding profs to unlock, accumulating normal skill xp in order to get their jedi. in the new system however people will be able to slowly accumulate jedi xp, which will then be spent on these FS skill lines and then they will "unlock," so to speak. the issue here is that these 2 methods have the same end, a jedi character able to possibly wield a lightsaber or use force powers... they should have the same rewards. namely, that a person who met the prerequisites for unlocking in the old system (mastering those 5 profs) should now be given the prerequisites in the new system (the 24 FS boxes) WITHOUT having to sacrifice and jedi skill boxes or jedi xp that was accrued in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY. this xp was gained by killing creatures with a lightsaber and force powers, or whatever. this is the only way that people who were jedi before publish 9 will still be jedi post-publish 9

3) also, people keep embracing these numbers and making claims about whether ornot we are "winngin" or "losing." it is far too early to talk about numbers. we have no idea how hard it is gonna be to get jedi xp once the robes, etc. come out, so how can anyone say that they are making out that well? are they making the grind harder? maybe. personally i just think they are making it so you will see jedi of diverse skills and powers, which is a good thing.

my issues do not have anything to do with numbers, they have to do with prerequisites. if you met the prerequisites in the old system for becoming a jedi (the 5 profs) then you should be given the prequisites for the new system without having to spend jedi skill boxes... REGARDLESS of what kind of number crunching you do. otherwise, you will have 4000 initiates who will no longer be jedi... they will be 2/3 of the way through the FS lines. now of course it has been posted that 0000 initiates were given the 6 FS lines and were still padawan, which makes me think that this is just a bug.... otherwise there is not point to get any skill boxes in initiate if you don't think you can get more than 6

I totally agree with this....if current jedi will be starting AFTER the padawan trials and to get to that point you would have to have completed 24 FS skills....then we should have those done already. I guess to keep it fair with new jedi we would have to use skill points for them, but i would rather that than have to use up my skill boxes.

another thing...i like how they divided up the skill trees...just cause i won't be able to do all the various skills like i can now, doesn't mean its bad...it makes it more in line with the various types of jedi from the books and movies....There were jedi that were healers only, etc. I like the fact that not every jedi will have exactly the same skill set.

This is a great system except for this issue with the skill boxes being used for FS skills

If you are initiate 4101 (about 70k jedi exp) then when you convert you will be weaker and less diverse in the new system, you will have some skills and abilities that you didn't have but I think its fair to say that they will not be comparable. There will probably not be many people in this position but they may boost boxes available for people in this position (e.g. if you have less than six boxes then they give you six, if you have just

If you are arround 4444 or higher then you'll be able to reach some comparable power levels (saber 4000 heal 1100 power 1010 ish) or you could put the boxes to much better use exploring some of the new stuff. If you specialise then you would be more powerfull than you were.

I'd hope that for thoes between 4110 and 4444 in padawan there is a compensation skill box or two added in but its going to effect so few people that its not realy a big deal, thoes who unlock now will have a very big advantage over the rest of thoes at patch 10.

well just being over the apprentice level....the apprentice and above are getting screwed I think the most....initiates below padawan haven't done the 1.5 million grind and then a 3.2 million. So if you are an apprentice and your skill boxes get used for FS skills essentially you just did 4.7 million for a HUGE decrease.

I'm not putting initiates down cause I was there, but initiates aren't that powerful to begin with, but at apprentice you get some real power beginning.

I think that this skill box issue being used for FS skills is bs and I hope it doesnt' happen and we are credited the FS skills for existing jedi and at worst...we have 24 skill points used up not 6 skill boxes..

but to say that initiates should get some special consideration cause they will loose power doesn't fly...if i'm misreading you I appologize, but initiates aren't that powerful to begin with...

Like I said i hope that ALL jedi don't have to use their skill boxes for FS skills

i really think though that this is just a bug. it has been posted that a 0000 initiate was given the 6 FS skill lines, so in my mind that just means that there is a bug with how the FS cost was calculated for people who had current jedi skill boxes. otherwise this just makes no sense at all, regardless of your ideaology about how the conversion should work, because then people are being punished for grinding skill boxes.

and it isn't too hard to believe that it is just a bug, given the veritable cornucopia of bugs out there right now with the conversion (yeah i said "cornucopia"... wanna fight about it? ). such as some people stating that they were able to peel back the FS lines after training force skills and got those sp's back to spend on more force skills, etc., etc., etc.

the prospect of old-system jedi having to pay for the new pre-requisites for being jedi with current skill boxes is disturbing to say the least, but until tuesday comes and some sort of definitive dev response is given... i will keep telling myself this is just another insect crawling in the trash heap

/bump

This is crytical info . DEVs must change it !!.

- We were told :

• 1st.. hologrinders would be credited in new FS unlocking system


• 2nd Jedi conversion 'd be a 1 to 1 system

- We get :

• Current Jedi 'd have to buy FS lines with their Jedi skill boxes , son in fact Jedi are FS unloking debited and not only the system is not 1 to 1 , the system make us pay our FS with our Jedi Skill Boxes .


• So current jedi are debited for FS unlocking while Hologrindres are credited ?

this cant be true . I cant believe my 5 moths casual playing ( 2 hours day average ) that brought me to Apprentice 4112 are gona turn into something far less powerfull ...

regards

Guys will I be able to purchase boxs with Xp before I use the box per pox trade off???