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tezzla

Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:53 am

Jaelbait wrote:

Jedi are a scape goat, pure and simple. Hating jedi is merely the cover for being jealous and immature. They have the idea that you need alot of cash to be a jedi. You don't. You can start from scratch with a CDEF pistol like the rest of us did and earn our cash. You can make a tailor or a weaponsmith or a dancer and go make items that people want to buy. You can save your money just like the rest of us did. You can make friends and join guilds and do just like the rest of us did. You can learn professions like the rest of us did, and follow the current steps to Jedi, just like the rest of us did.

Instead, people accost you in starports and ask for a million credits to get themselves started so they can hurry up and get Jedi too. They want you to babysit them in groups, take them to the areas to get their badges then kill Krayts for them so they can loot the pearls. They want everything NOW. They want to be jedi but don't want to put out any effort to gain it. They want the same badges, money, professions, friends and reputation that you have worked 2.5 years for in 6 weeks. They want to level in huge groups doing the minimum effort possible, and wonder why they die when they are on their own. They don't know how other professions work or how they can support orbe hurt.

Before Jedi, all the problems of the game were blamed on TKM/Smuggler/Pistoleers. Then it was Commandos were the bad guys. Then it was the Combat Medics were the reason we were all going to hades in a hand basket... If they removed Jedi from the game, it would be Squad leaders are the evil reason the game is a pile of crap. They blamed Doctor buffs for unbalancing the game, then just gave us permanent buffs. Be careful of what you blame for all your problems, they will nerf it. Myself, I blame the Devs, the real problems with this game. Now, if they get nerfed to oblivion, the game just might get better.

to this i cant say much more then AMEN !!

Its hard to make things "foolproof" as fools are so damned ingenius
Rocc Profit gimped jedi extrodinare

tezzla

Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:57 am

#67

WhitelighterofSH wrote:
TheNarcis wrote:
ones that dont care about Jedi are ex-Sims Online/Earth and Beyond or another 'not knowing about Star Wars' player.

Hey! I played Earth and Beyond :/. Was a great game when Westwood ran it. But EA ran it about like SOE is running SW:G.

Sadly this guy is 100% correct SOE is ruining this game not jedi, just like EA destroyed a perfectly good EnB

Its hard to make things "foolproof" as fools are so damned ingenius
Rocc Profit gimped jedi extrodinare

BauMaBeath

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:48 am

#68

Ok, the way i see it:

People dislike jedi for a number of reasons. A few of these include:

1) inability, ineptidude, or too lazy to grind their own

2) no desire to HAVEa jedi so noone else should either

3) star wars timeline/cannon

these are only a few, but from my experience, most people fall into #3, then #2. Not many in #1 but they are there. IMO, people who hate jedi most are the bounty hunters that could do nothing with them. They'd get a mission and get sliced up. try again, die again. SO, they finally whined enough and got their nerf to jedi so they can kill them now.

Now the situation is reversed. The jedi have been SCREWED into being a sub par profession who can barely hold their own. It is an elite profession that SHOULD be slightly (and only slightly for padawans) higher than the other professions simply because of the time it takes to actually be permitted to become one AND the time it takes to grind a full template. It boils down to the fact that BH's are happy right now because they can grab some CM in their temp and kill 90% of the jedi on their server. They flame jedi who complain because they know whining and complaining worked for them and don't want to see their easy cash go down the tubes again when the Devs fix jedi. What we really need is some FIXES to the jedi profession and some of the other profession. No more nerfing. One step forward and two steps back NEVER gets you anywhere. just makes you frustrated. Lets take steps to IMPROVE every profession rather than taking abilities away from others.

Jaelbait

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:44 am

#69

Dinoon wrote:

Why I should think that obvious my naive friend. It is plain that there are far too many Jedi in the game. Also, it seems to be everyone's main goal in the game. EVERYONE wants to bea Jedi. And the amount of Jedi will keep on increasing until the vast majority of the servers ARE Jedi. What fun would that be? I do not aim to unlock Jedi. I really would like it if the game were more like the movies. Everything else with the game is fine. I don't understand how anyone couldn't see the problem with Jedi! It's obvious! I DO wish that Jedi would be removed. And yes I know that it is a valuable asset to the franchise. But if you're only playing to unlock Jedi, then you shouldn't be playing anyway. Is this really accurate to the movies and EU? Many Jedi are around and they all hang out in Theed. WHAT SENSE DOES THAT MAKE? None! And alsoall the Jedialways seem to be PvPing against each other all the time inTheed.Thatisn't accurate either.

Jedi has phucked up this game so badly. So in my closing statement, I repeat my main points:

1.) There are too many Jedi in the game. If they don't remove them they should at least make it harder to get.

2.) It seems that unlocking Jedi is everyone's main goal in the game.

3.) All the Jedi are always PvPing against each other, usually in Theed.

Now those are my main pet peeves with Jedi. You asked, you got an answer. Take those glowsticks of yours and shove em up your @$$es if you don't like it.

I picked your post to quote, since you were slightly more coherent than others. The reason I picked you is that you typify the ignorant ME centric attitude of alot of people. You bought the game, logged in and then are disappointed that everyone else that bought the game and is logged in, isn't following your idea of what the game should be. Wow, those arrogant pricks are playing the way they want to.... how dare they. They have the utter gal to actually do what they want to do with the game they bought.

If you don't want to be a jedi, then don't be one. If your plan in life is to be an Entertainer/Artisan, then be one. Craft, quest, hunt, do anything YOU want to do. No one will stop you, and you have absolutely no right to stop anyone else. If you don't like Jedi, then don't buy from them, don't group with them, don't support them in any way. The danger of that is, the crafters with the best armor or guns, are probably alts of Jedi. That chef that has the best food is probably the alt of a jedi too.

Interestingly enough, alot of the jedi haters want me to come tank their lousy groups so they can grind faster and bash jedi some more. Then they want to complain if they don't get healed instantly by my evil nasty hated self. I don't group with fools. You hate me bad enough? Make a BH and come try to kill me.

I personally don't care what your main goal is in the game. I don't care if everyone can be a jedi and actually gets one. I don't see the difference between a battle filled with all Jedi and a battle filled with all TKM's, all BH's, all Rifleman, or all SL's. They are all boring, except that the Jedi will all die to each other faster than the rest. This game is for everyone to fulfull THEIR dreams. It is not Johnny's game where everyone caters to little Johnny's idea of who gets to play what. That type of game play is usually left behind once you get your 7th birthday. I think Nintendo still makes those kinds of console games, you might have better luck there.

If the estimates of how many jedi are in the game are correct, Theed would explode and crash if the entire Jedi population was dueling in front of Theed. I hate to break your little bubble, but alot of us never go to theed. We don't duel constantly, nor do we hide who we are. Any BH that has my mission just needs to send me a tell, and I will be happy to tell him where I am. If I am not out helping guildmates, you can find me in Shadow Valley on Talus. I don't need to prove anything to anyone, nor do I need to appologize for being a jedi. I paid for my game, I pay for my subscription for several accounts each month. I produce some of the best Chef and Artisan food on the server and have one of the best Weaponsmiths as well. Be careful too, if you buy some of my BE items as well, you might just be supporting a hated Jedi.

SumaTrig

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:07 am

#70

1.The numbers of them: Who's fault is that? Not the Jedi. Blame the devs for making it as easy as it is. I knew nothing about gettng glowy when I started but within days was told what to do (this was over a year ago). I did my TKM prof, played content, and did the villiage as required to unlock in 6 phases. Then the CU hit and the Jedi I invested so much time into was unplayable. I felt cheated and left for 6 months. Been back a month and have been spinning my way to a MLS/MDEF/ENH0002/HEAL3000 template. Be done in a few more weeks. BTW, in the 6 months that I played before leaving, I not only ground a Jedi but also ground a Chef, cooked foods and made money, helped co-found a player city (Corbantis, Ghost Town, now called Praxum) and the guild (formally recon now prax). Made lots of friends and had lots of fun. Helped many new players learn how to play the game, gave them credits, armor, weps, etc. Even did this for peeps not in my guild. Yep, we Jedi are really bad people and only care about becoming Jedi... pft.

2.The way they play, I like the starwars univers. Alot of jedi(not all) spend their time waving their glowbats in starports I actually agree with this. I preferred the pre-cu days when you rarely saw a Jedi in public and never saw one grinding. It was a long boring grind for us Jedi, but hey, pre-cu soloing was the way it was for everyone. I sometimes miss the solitude of solo grinding and it was a lot easier to do as no need to form and manage a group. Of course it took longer, but that was a good thing too IMO.

3.GCW, unless you are a combat medic or Doc you can forget being a part of GCW/JediWars, and even then get ready to be ganked by 10 jedi at the time. This again is the devs fault, not Jedi's fault. I never do GCW as it just does not interest me, nor does PvP. That's just me and I have always much preferred PVE. Give Jedi high end content and take us out of the GCW... like we have asked for so many times.

4.Personal experience, and offcourse this stand on my own playing experience. Jedi is an alpha class profession, which in my eyes bring alot of "Alpha class" players into the jedi profession, meaning that the goal is more important than how you get there. In short, exploiting is allright. Again, just my personal experience. Disagree completely. Jedi is the end game of SWG and almost everyone is a Jedi or is trying to become one. Since almost everyone is trying to be one, all types of people are Jedi; good, bad, and ugly. And exploits are always bad, but using a game mechanic a certain way IMO is not necessarily an exploit. I would call the multigroup with you droid in order to get around the solo group nerf that happend pre-cu an exploit. I consider credit farming an exploit. I do not worry about things like the duel thing that seems to bother you. It's such a small thing I just don't care. If the devs want to, they can fix/change it.

5.Hate tells, I am a BH and have been so for ages. I get reported often and I get hate tells all the time. I try to act politely, but get griefing and even hate tells and what not from my marks friends/guildies. Again, my personal experience. What else do you expect. We are forced into a PvP system we do not want to be in and when we lose we lose lots of xp (although it would only take me 2 hours or so to get it back now, pre-cu it would have taken maybe 8-12 hours, blame the CU and the devs for that) And, we gain nothing if we win. Why would any Jedi want to engage a BH? We don't. We just want to be left alone to play the game. Weengage BH becausewe have to. Again, blame the devs, not us. BTW, No one should send hate tells, those are immature/rude peeps. There are a lot of them in the game. My advice to you is to simply Ignore them and not let them bother you. BTW, we Jedi get hate tells too.

6.Camping/Cloaking camping, Alot of places jedi is making it impossible to do the DWB or Necrosis, because they are camping it and pulling agro while using cloak and force run. Thus destroying some good content for other people. Again, blame the devs.They never seem to foresee how a skill will be abused in game. Cloak was meant as an evasion skill. The devs were too short sighted to see that it could also be used for easy looting. It's going to be nerfed so no need to worryabout it anymore. BTW, the current SL buffs are another example of the devs short sighteness. IMO, BHs should not be able to get SL buffs when hunting marks as they do not "group". Jedi should not be able to get them either when fighting a BH IMO. BTW, my alt is a BH so I know a little bit about this prof.

7.The nerf bat, the discussion on this is long and never ending, but it is my personal(yes just me) opinion that a fraction of the jedi community is constantly calling for nerfs of other professions. Again just how I see it. All we really want is to be 1.5x more powerful that *any* other profession, like we were told we would be when the CU hit. Pre-cu, we were 10x any other prof. With the current nerfs to Jedi speed, accuracy, and lack of prem pearls, I would say in general, Jedi are 0.8x the other high end profs (Rifleman, BH). Some are lucky eonugh to have pre-cu pearls and are maybe 1x or maybe even 1.2x other profs. Just about all post-cu Jedi are < 1x other profs. That is why we complain. We have not gotten what we were and are told we are supposed to be. Hey, we also complain about the FRS and other stuff too, not just the strength of other profs vs ours.

8.General attitude, "We grinded for ages, why should we not be allmighty", most people just dont like that. No one likes arrogrance, I agree. I don't act that way. I wished others didn't as well, but hey, some peeps in game are not too well behaved or mature. Again, just ignore dummy's like that. There are bad eggs in all profs, all factions, etc. I try my best to ignore the rude peeps and make friends with the nice ones.

9.The "duel" exploit, if you are a jedi, is it really needed to go "duel" every person you go past that looks like a bh? being like that doesnt help alot on the jedi hate that is for sure. Again. Again, blame the devs. You know, the game mechanics are what they are because of the devs. Bugs exist everywhere in the code. Some people take advantage of, others don't. Why is it fair for a BH to be able to walk right up to his mark and hit him before the Jedi knows what the heck is happening. IMO, it's dumb. IMO, aBH with your mission should show up as a reg (agged) icon on the radar. Youmay notagree with me as it isn't to your advantage for it to be the way I described it. But doesn't it make a lot more sense?

10.I am imperial. I am a rebel who does little in the GCW. I am friends with who ever is friendly.I don't care about faction. Some peeps in game care *a lot * about it. Personally, I see how the GCW is part of the story line, but it just divides the SWG community, the same way BH/Jedi divides it. It's really to bad and I wish there was something else that would *unite* the player base instead of divide it.

Finally, I want SWG to be a good game. I want the peeps who spend 6 months grinding apaddy andanother 3-6 grinding their Jedito be rewarded for their efforts. I want Jedi to be the strongest class. I want content for Jedi that does not allow them take advantage of, or have an unfair advantage over, the normal profs, i.e. take us out of the GCW. Give us Jedi only content and we will be estatic. I would also like to see and end to the BH/Jedi issue. IMO, it simply causes too much grief in the game, on both sides. If it were up to me, I would take it out of the game. BH would hunt NPCs. Jedi would be doing Jedi content, maybe even somewhere out of view of the other profs so as to dimish the ill will that seems to arise when we are seen. Who knows. Something better and more well thought out thanwhat we have now would be good for the game and everyone playing it.

Peace,

Suma - Pre-CU Elder Jedi, Rebel, Rebel Ace, Nonuple Ace, Over 125 badges
Xamus - Jedi alt, Structures Trader, Imp Ace
Sumax - NGE alt medic, Neutral, Freelance Triple Ace
Trig - Pre-CU Elder BH (CANCELLED)
Sumabacca - Engineer Trader (CANCELLED)
Praxeum Of Light (Prax) - Rebel guild located in Praxeum Dantooine, Corbantis

Phaelyn

Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:51 pm

#71

Dinoon wrote:

Okay this is my third shot at a post I hope it goes up this time...

This is stupid. All the posts so far are calling all us Jedi haters "stupid" and "immature" and "lazy".

This is not true. I wanted to play SWG to be a smuggler so, by golly I'll be a smuggler!

Let me try this question:

Why did you GO Jedi in the first place?

Actually, not all Jedi players are calling people lazy and stupid. There ARE however those that deserve to be labelled as such. Isn't it rather coincidental that once Jedi was made "easier" (In actuality, it was just defined more fully), many players started going Jedi?Some people HAVE posted that they don't want Jedi for themselves -I find that wonderful. I honestly wish that Smuggler WAS a viable profession, that Commando was a viable profession, etc. but, they aren't. And that's the crux of the problem.

Before the CU, there were exactly TWO professions that were working as designed, TK and Jedi. BOTH were called "overpowered" by the masses - When in reality, they WORKED, unlike all the other professions. And instead of FIXING all the other professions, they nerfed the ones that DID work. This has been the response for the entirety of this game's existence. Sadly, every nerf makes the game less viable, and les fun to play - And even MORE sadly, Jedi gets the blame for everything.

As to why *I* personally chose to be a Jedi is this. i've played the other professions. I've done almost all the content. I had only Jedi left, so I took the path. This is MY "last hurrah" in this game, unless they manage to make some of the other professions worth playing. Currently, BH is working, and working well. THIS is why many Jedi alts are BH. If Smuggler was working just as well - Many would be smugglers. And so on down the line.

Phael'yn Maxlord

- I support Common Sense - Too bad it's in short supply.

Quote that sums up the current, flawed direction of SWG:
"No, I do everything solo and I see no reason why I should need anyone else"

A way to bring Combatant and Crafter together.

muzzedup

Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:52 pm

#72

Why do I hate the Jedi class in general ?

In all fairness i cannot answer this question without telling a bit of my characters backgrounds and why i admire them,,

I play three completly different toons on my server and my wife plays more toons than either of us would care to admit,

between the two of us we have unlocked the jedi slot 3 times thru the natural progression of gameplay , meaning we never set out to become jedi. We became jedi by playing the game and unlocking pre village and without using the shotgun approach to it.

Toon A is a weaponsmith, merchant ,shipwright , completely nuetral

Toon B is a ranger , bounty hunter, Imperial

Toon C is a architect merchant nuetral ( this is the one that unlocked the jedi slot of the three toons i play )

My wife and i are very public people on our server and play as much as we can with out it seriously affecting our real world lives.We always have time to go out and meet the newer players, help out our friends , run our mall and city , etc etc

There are maybe 5 people on our server that know who our jedi alts names are or have even seen us on them.

We dont go out of our way to grief the general "non-Jedi" public nor do we go out our way to hide in fear from the BH.

My jedi has stood beside the "premier " bounty hunters on our server several times in starports, cantinas, shops what have you with out them ever knowing anything different ..

out of the some odd years i have played a jedi i have been hunted by a BH twice .. killed once .. once was by a guildie who didnt reconigize the name off the terminals and once by a same faction hunting BH that i forgot i could use my non-force powers (aka rifleman shots ) while i was rooted .

I took the exp loose bought a new bike and took it in stride ..

My wife had never been hunted by a BH ( knocks on wood ) and she is a full temp jedi one on of her jedi

My BH/Ranger Alt has never hunted a jedi PC in his life , in my opinion its akin to hunting someone down because their hair is blonde or red or becuase they live on the wrong block ... (sides i would rather hunt smugglers since they are more law breaking than the jedi and forced my npc marks to carry all that silly smuggling slicing stuff now : )

Now ... Why do I "hate" the jedi ?

Well in a nutshell ?

They are bad for the economy

I know i know that is a petty reason to hate the jedi but its true .. when its all boiled down in the eyes of a weaponsmith

what costs do the jedi have in the world ?

They sure dont buy guns .. and why should they ? i admit the sabers are very "segsy"

They dont buy Armor ..

Most of them dont need vehicles once they get force run

Most dont need stim packs or health buffs from doctors

And you would be hard pressed to find a jedi that hasnt spent a few days in the graveyard hunting krayts ..

therefore i cant exactly go up there with my friends and hunt krayts to make a few credits frpm pearls ..

Most dont buy clothing if it doesnt have a slot or two to stuff some of the "uber " CA's that again the jedi have sasshayed into a place that would take a non jedi toon a team to go into ( gotta love the cloak ) and perma camped the good loot to the point where the devs have decided four units of low grade ore is just as good as the uber CA's

And for the most part the jedi at one point were the minority of many a server ... and yet they recieve the majority of the devs time as far as content and publishes go ... ( still waiting to see the smuggler love promised waaaay back in publish one )

Now i could spend the rest of the post going on and on why we as a communtiy should hate the jedi and how the cannon and movies suggest that there were only 3 ( four if you count leia but i think of her as more FS than anything ) at the time this game supposed "time line " is concerned. In thier defense , when you tell a story you only focus on the characters that move the story forward. The main characters are whats important to the story. Luke , Vader , Yoda. The Storytellers arent going to spend hours on end giving you the complete background of the guy they passed in the starport. There could have been thousands of jedi in the galaxy unknown to each other .. children of jedi that have been raised by the jedi ways , "wild" jedi not knowing they are using the force just know things tend to turn out thier way ..

Why do i admire the jedi ?

for the most part the jedi on my server that i talk to daily are among the most honorable people .. they are the shining examples of jedis that were displayed in the movies ( well the light side jedi in the movie ) would help you at the drop of a hat to help you get any thing done that you cant do by yourself ..

They know the galaxy is out to get them and they still wake up in the morning shake the sand out of thier robes and walk out thier front doors ... my wife and i have only been betrayed by a jedi once and that is a jedi we just dont trust anymore : )

We know jedi from all walks of life and call them friends without ever having to worry about them showing up on our doorstep asking for anything more than our friendship.

We also know plenty of "1337" speak "ub3r" jedi that have no problems with strutting around waving thier sabers around acting like they are the incarnate of a deity and we should bow down to them just cause thier paddie robes are so much better than the normal clothes the rest of the public wear.

But getting "pwned" by a 13 yro with a flashlight is something for another post : )

How do we fix the Jedi "problem" ?

We cant .. without the jedi SWG is more or less EQ in space and its a lil hard to close Pandora's Box once its opened ...

just dont forget in the bottom of that box is also hope ..

We as a communtiy have to show the jedi on our server what is expected and acceptable from them .. the robes and saber isnt a carte blanche to be a total jackass to the people that play the game with you ..

Sides if i wanted to play a jedi with no restrictions i would start up KOTOR and hack the devil out of it ..

KTA

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