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i dont care about my jedi getting such low xp but its going to take a month to get my alt up to temp (MBH/MCM)

Could not agree more. Great post!!!

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mikeymonkey wrote:
I just came into realization at how stupid we're being. I know what you're thinking. "Another long and preachy post about changing the profession." But I'm just tired of this whole thing. I'm ending it once and for all. I'm targetting every single negative stereotype there is and straightening them out.

First is the old-timer hologrind Jedi. I'm gonna do this first, because, until recently, I was one to the extreme. So here's what I've realized:

Jedi is not our profession. The decisions that are made to change the game, be it the way one goes about obtaining Jedi or anything else, are not our fault, and they are not the new Jedi's fault. They are not going for Jedi because they want to torcher us and cheat us out of work. They are going for Jedi because SOE gave them the opportunity, and that's what they want to do. They pay just as much as we do and we have no right to tell them that this is not their profession just because Sony switched the system around so that it was easier. Nobody wants to hear about how we walked 15 miles in the snow up hill both ways. You want to be like the Jedi in the movies? Then be glad that new Jedi are being added to the ranks. Our profession is being strengthened and bolstered by the new Jedi, and instead of being helping hands to the new Jedi like in the movies, we are shutting down their feelings of accomplishment in becoming a Jedi, just because we're bitter than Sony changed the system.

Secondly, I would like to talk about the "nerf the other template" people. This group annoys me more than any other group, because they have absolutely no reason whatsoever to do this. You chose the template you chose, and if you wanted the other one, you should have gone for it. What kind of Jedi asks for their own kind to be weakened for their benefit? You're just asking for the Jedi profession in general to be nerfed to no end.

And here's another little tidbit of info: There is no such thing as a bad template. As long as you didn't throw darts at the different skills blindfolded to choose your template, and if you know what you're doing, you can use your template to its fullest no matter what. Say you have Master Powers. You can't solo anything. Do you know why? Because trying to solo with Master Powers and saying "this tree sucks" is like trying to cut a steak with a spoon and going "f*cking spoon!" Powers is a SUPPORT TREE. It works best IN GROUPS! Healer is healing. Master Lightsaber is attack. Defender is tanking. Enhancer is enhancing your abilities and debuffing the enemy, and Powers is group support. Do you notice a pattern? Not all trees are meant to solo! If you want to solo, then grab an Enhancer/Defender template, and stop trying to eat soup with your knife!

Finally, I would like to talk about the people who tell other people that they're playing the game wrong. Just because somebody decides to take advantage of the materials Sony lays out in front of them (accidentally or not) that does not mean that you can call them exploiters, or treat them as if they are not equal to you. Everybody ends up being equal in the end. The earliest of Jedi may have had it hard with the saber TEF and permadeath, but they unlocked after 5 to 10 professions. Later unlockers may have unlocked later, but xp was easier to get then, and they still had a chance to get Premium Pearls. Post-9 Pre-10 unlockers...well...we didn't really get anything too good out of that, but I bet we were really happy when that debacle was over and we finally got our Jedi Village unlockers who crusied the whole way through on double xp and AFKed and respeced, that's fine, you saw an opportunity to do less work and seized it, and I don't blame you. This whole thing about being "honorable" is so fake that it's almost funny. I don't know if you guys realize, but the difference between being a disrespectful player and the most honorable Jedi on the server is being at the computer to double click on the creatures. That's right. Two mouse clicks. That's what seperates an honorable kill with a dishonorable kill apparently. Yes, they got an easy ride through, but you know what? They probably weren't as satisfied when they got their Jedi. No matter how bad you have it compared to anybody else, you will always be repaid with the satisfaction of earning something through hard work.

So there it is. I doubt this will end everything once and for all though. Hey, who knows. It could get stickied, to remind us all that we are Jedi, and we should start acting like it.

Message Edited by mikeymonkey on 08-17-2005 09:20 AM

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Thank you so much for this post! /agree

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mikeymonkey wrote:

Say you have Master Powers. You can't solo anything. Do you know why? Because trying to solo with Master Powers and saying "this tree sucks" is like trying to cut a steak with a spoon and going "f*cking spoon!" Powers is a SUPPORT TREE. It works best IN GROUPS! Healer is healing. Master Lightsaber is attack. Defender is tanking. Enhancer is enhancing your abilities and debuffing the enemy, and Powers is group support. Do you notice a pattern? Not all trees are meant to solo! If you want to solo, then grab an Enhancer/Defender template, and stop trying to eat soup with your knife!

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Vcardossk wrote:

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Jerath wrote:

i tried saying the exact same thing about pre-9 jedi, that the grinding wasnt as bad and wasn't anything worth getting rewarded over("easier xp as you said it"), but i got flamed for it. then again, nobody actually read what i said, just pointlessly flamed...

Message Edited by Jerath on 08-16-2005 10:17 PM

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No, you just stabbed and jabbed at how easy it was for pre-9 jedi. That's why you were flamed, for being a tard.

Pre-pub9 grind 1000000000000000000000x harder than post cu grind.

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This kind of post is exactly what the OP is trying to stop. There's no reason to compare oranges to apples, just move on and contribute to the forums to make SWG and Jedi better for everyone. This rubbish is pointless.

drop all your skills and try grinding it now. lets see the big edit in the post

haha, love each other, help each other, guide each other, understand each other, stick together etc amen.

but we created/developed our toons to kill each other, humiliate each other, steal each other's loot, cheat each other, nerf each other and in the end dominate the others. and we do this all day long either in gcw or duels/bh or in the upcoming for xmas frs.

it's natural to be divided on interest groups and to fight for GROUP's target. for example you if you would have to choose one fix to support do you think we can all agree about each one has maximum priority? by supporting my interests i am unwillingly nerfing other ppl's interests.

I'm curious: if you bought a house for 1mil and next day your neighbour buy one exactly like yours for 10k then takes your yard too, would you love him, understand him, help him, guide him?

the problem here is not to educate jedi community which is an impossible task (take a look at the real world) but to have a set of clear rules to play with. we have to know which faction is a majority, how can we support our interests in a civilized manner. these rules are unclear cause there is no voting system or election system. so we do what we think is best, post our interests and yell them as strong as we can.

we are divided. but we have common interests.

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mikeymonkey wrote:
"Thanks man! This is a great post.. when i grow up i wanna be just like you!"

Hehe I'm only 14 man

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ROFL, you surprised me

You make your parents proud young man.

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mikeymonkey wrote:
I just came into realization at how stupid we're being. I know what you're thinking. "Another long and preachy post about changing the profession." But I'm just tired of this whole thing. I'm ending it once and for all. I'm targetting every single negative stereotype there is and straightening them out.

First is the old-timer hologrind Jedi. I'm gonna do this first, because, until recently, I was one to the extreme. So here's what I've realized:

Jedi is not our profession. The decisions that are made to change the game, be it the way one goes about obtaining Jedi or anything else, are not our fault, and they are not the new Jedi's fault. They are not going for Jedi because they want to torcher us and cheat us out of work. They are going for Jedi because SOE gave them the opportunity, and that's what they want to do. They pay just as much as we do and we have no right to tell them that this is not their profession just because Sony switched the system around so that it was easier. Nobody wants to hear about how we walked 15 miles in the snow up hill both ways. You want to be like the Jedi in the movies? Then be glad that new Jedi are being added to the ranks. Our profession is being strengthened and bolstered by the new Jedi, and instead of being helping hands to the new Jedi like in the movies, we are shutting down their feelings of accomplishment in becoming a Jedi, just because we're bitter than Sony changed the system.

Secondly, I would like to talk about the "nerf the other template" people. This group annoys me more than any other group, because they have absolutely no reason whatsoever to do this. You chose the template you chose, and if you wanted the other one, you should have gone for it. What kind of Jedi asks for their own kind to be weakened for their benefit? You're just asking for the Jedi profession in general to be nerfed to no end.

And here's another little tidbit of info: There is no such thing as a bad template. As long as you didn't throw darts at the different skills blindfolded to choose your template, and if you know what you're doing, you can use your template to its fullest no matter what. Say you have Master Powers. You can't solo anything. Do you know why? Because trying to solo with Master Powers and saying "this tree sucks" is like trying to cut a steak with a spoon and going "f*cking spoon!" Powers is a SUPPORT TREE. It works best IN GROUPS! Healer is healing. Master Lightsaber is attack. Defender is tanking. Enhancer is enhancing your abilities and debuffing the enemy, and Powers is group support. Do you notice a pattern? Not all trees are meant to solo! If you want to solo, then grab an Enhancer/Defender template, and stop trying to eat soup with your knife!

Finally, I would like to talk about the people who tell other people that they're playing the game wrong. Just because somebody decides to take advantage of the materials Sony lays out in front of them (accidentally or not) that does not mean that you can call them exploiters, or treat them as if they are not equal to you. Everybody ends up being equal in the end. The earliest of Jedi may have had it hard with the saber TEF and permadeath, but they unlocked after 5 to 10 professions. Later unlockers may have unlocked later, but xp was easier to get then, and they still had a chance to get Premium Pearls. Post-9 Pre-10 unlockers...well...we didn't really get anything too good out of that, but I bet we were really happy when that debacle was over and we finally got our Jedi Village unlockers who crusied the whole way through on double xp and AFKed and respeced, that's fine, you saw an opportunity to do less work and seized it, and I don't blame you. This whole thing about being "honorable" is so fake that it's almost funny. I don't know if you guys realize, but the difference between being a disrespectful player and the most honorable Jedi on the server is being at the computer to double click on the creatures. That's right. Two mouse clicks. That's what seperates an honorable kill with a dishonorable kill apparently. Yes, they got an easy ride through, but you know what? They probably weren't as satisfied when they got their Jedi. No matter how bad you have it compared to anybody else, you will always be repaid with the satisfaction of earning something through hard work.

So there it is. I doubt this will end everything once and for all though. Hey, who knows. It could get stickied, to remind us all that we are Jedi, and we should start acting like it.

Message Edited by mikeymonkey on 08-17-2005 09:20 AM

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QFE

Woo hoo, give it up for the brain child!

he thinks!!

I hope this has an effect on a lot of jedi. I have tried to make positive posts but they all get shot down. But i try. Nice post and thanks for the sticky bac

This is a decent post, GJ. Only thing you never mentioned was the devs being partly responsible to the harshness of the community. We all know that this Jedi system is probably the worst implemented Jedi system anyone has ever witnessed. And dueto this very FACT, the community is mostly like it is today...something you can NEVER change unless you give the community what they want.

On a second note, I doubt "support" disciplines would cut it if the FRS happens to be 1v1. Just a thought...

Message Edited by jimcabtv on 08-23-2005 07:20 PM