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Thread: How many people made Master? Give me screenshots!
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Message Edited by Orik_tookre on 10-01-2005 08:28 PM
ray-dac wrote:
sounds about right. So there are masters, just masters who aren't really masters. Just...well..... cheaters. ok
So either you are a cheater yourself, or you are not the original owner of the jedi you play... Yes this is his character and the person that got the tell was a MBH. The person posting calling everyone a cheater was just not very good at cheating because he was always at knight.
Message Edited by Red-Dude on 10-01-2005 02:33 PM
JediMasterKai wrote:
Yes.
WOW!!! So the legend was true!!!!
Very Nice!!!
R.I.P.
Arjan79 wrote:
don't really think there were master already. Heard a few servers got close to having a master but haven't heard of a jedi that ade it to master
lol. FarStar had both top ranks filled.
JediMasterKai wrote:
NO ONE COULD GET MASTER WITHOUT USING FIGHTCLUB. Thanks for reading this.
I am aware that this is mostly a wasted effort, but for those with open minds, I feel compelled to support my fishy friend.
Those of you on Ahazi have known Intaru and I from the beginning. We are the original account owners. We have been PvP'ing since launch, and were among the first few lucky enough to unlock and grind our way through permadeath on an active and crowded server, only to find that all our effort was wiped away with pub9.
The promise of the FRS and eventual Mastery was enough to mollify many of us at first, but it quickly became apparent that the FRS in its current form, was a carrot on a stick...in sight, but ever out of reach. As Intaru said, on Ahazi, Rank V was possible, without FC, but only with INSANE effort... and more importantly (please read this part and take note) AT THE EXPENSE OF EVERYONE ELSE. Early FRS farming was far worse than current gankings, because there was a drive to have the highest meaningless rank (since most mods were broken 
Force Regen still IS ) and rank was rewarded for killing ANYONE. It was a slaughter.
After awhile, along came the Fight Clubs, and the community outcry was unbelievable. The IMMENSE antagonism that this system has generated toward the Jedi players really became evident, and perhaps the DEVs began to see their error. Instead of a a hero class that all aspired to, we had an ub0r l33t group of kids running around ruining a great game for everyone. Many of us, Intaru and myself included, petitioned the DEVs, TH, Tiggs, and CSRs to DO SOMETHING about what was happening.
After an initial positive response in banning those that chose to circumvent timers (an intentional exploit), the DEVs lost their backbone, and backpedaled, reinstating almost all the bannedaccounts. Apparently,most of the firstFCers were banned on Bria initially, before the clarification about timers came from the DEVs. And then, of course, came the infamous "Go Ahead" post from Tiggs. After that, anyone that had any interest in staying competitive with active Jedi PvPersfelt that they NEEDED the extra Force Pool.
So, some of us decided to do it on our own. As a Light Jedi, achieving Consular( and eventually Arbiter/Master) while wrangling opposing factions in a Fight Club for mutual benefit was one of the ONLY regular, ongoing RP opportunities I have had in SWG since the original Hero of Tatooine quest. It was certainly more contentthan SOE/LA has ever provided. We did it together, AT THE KEYS, while making many friends, and learning a lot about our opponents. We developed a mutual admiration and respect that often carries over onto our ongoing battlefields.
Six of us saw it through to Rank 9 before the DEVs lowered the boom on the FRS... half of that number is no longer active, after what has been done to the game we love. Another group achieved the same rank with much less effort using mostly alt MBHs, but I cannot say how many made it or remain. /showfrs is no longer available.
But as to whether or not we deserve or rank/title... from my perspective, no Jedi was more feared in solo PvPthan the bluish fish (/flail fr3!) ... and I would like to think that few exemplified an Arbiter more than this Llama Master...
We did our best with a broken, ill-conceived system... and some of us never had any intention of acquiringanything we had not earned.
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I support Asura and Intaru in this because I saw the system up to the rank 7. It's a trickle down economics but the problem is that there wasn't enough going into the higher ranks to maintain it. First off you have a daily XP loss by rank 5 it's 500 a day. Now lets say you go into a large PVP spread. You have a invisible kill list that can be broken up and won't clear which allows you to kill ranked Jedi again for XP. So lets say at rank 7 you have 6 level 7 ranked enemies on the opposing side. You managed to kill one of them but then the other 5 you aren't able to find for days. Your gain maybe have been 1,000 but you lose that in almost the first night. Then you look for lower ranked jedi hoping to find them without death. Your max gain on a lower rank is maybe 500 but your risk is to lose 1500-2000. Bounty Hunters were the only true source for experiance as a income into the system. But at the time a Bounty Hunter knew he how high level of Jedi he was getting and wouldn't take it. The system also had experiance loss in death by the 1k+. So how are they supposed to get leveled up when they get next to nothing for a unranked jedi.
To try to keep a rank the Jedi master would have to kill about 10+ Padawans a day, or at least 4 Higher ranked Jedi, 5 Bounty Hunters, or an equal ranked of enemy jedi. If they died they would lose enough XP worth 2 days. How does this system work but in theory? It's not possible in large PVP without any organization. I think people were making assumptions thinking if Jedi just pvp'ed they would get it but it wasn't possible once they fixed the XP from all kills. People became mad because the FC Jedi wouldn't PVP at all as they saw it. Thing was they could PVP for a day pretty much then they would wait for 2 days because of a borked kill list system. For example lets say a FC Jedi dueled some friends 15 of them for fun and didn't kill them. It leaves a large gap in the kill list. You would have to kill about 16 just to clear the duels off so you could get XP from a Jedi you killed 4 days ago you. It's hard to explain but the system didn't work in it. Plus there was a honor system to the FC Jedi I was with. We wouldn't kill other FC Jedi we saw outside of it because it doesn't help them or us. Plus we knew we would be killing each other in a day or two anyway.
Was it fair to other Jedi that weren't in fight club? Maybe but as Asura and Intaru were concerned they would let anyone in if they could fit them. It was a bit of honor code to some were removed for various reasons. Plus being a trickle system some were denied at various times because it needs even numbers on both sides. For example in the tail end the amount of Light Jedi far outweighed the Dark Jedi. This was good for the Dark Jedi in the end because the amount of XP was great but it hurt new light Jedi that only had maybe 5 they could kill at best. Others said they could get it without the FC and more power to them. Some did pretty well in that but getting past rank 2 wasn't easy. But also keep in mind some of the anger was just how ranks were getting filled and it was hard to move up. Even in the FC members they had to wait for some to be promoted so they could move up in rank. Meanwhile us Dark Jedi were looking most forward to the Challenge Option for Rank once the higher seats were filled 
