Jedi Archive
Thread: Best Jedi template to deal with MBH/MCM
Cybertor
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:35 pm
#53
p897t98 wrote:
Ive been DB during PvE, and PvP, It happens. Its not a problem, if you are finished template, Xp is not an issue, if you arnt finished template and you are PvPing/dueling, you deserve the XP loss. It was a problem when you were PvPing, raiding a town and they had a squad of covert zerging BHs. Now, I really dont see what the problem is.
The problem is harrasment. The bh will follow you around so you can't do anything. If you pvp the bh will be watching you. So i'm suppose to just let him db me so i can continue the gameplay i pay 15 dollars a month for?
p897t98
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:35 pm
#54
Cybertor wrote:
Jacella wrote:
A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack. If you are weak in the open, you must expect the attack. I don't mean to belittle you (too much), but if you can't deal with the simple facts of the way the game is and the risks associated with being a Jedi, then you need to just play your alt, stop pvping in starports, watch your radar, or delete your jedi. The vast majority of jedi have zero problems with the way the BH/Jedi thing is set up. I would go so far to say that more jedi want names and payouts to be reinstated along with keeping faction.
Cybertor wrote:
This isn't just about duels. What about pve and pvp. THAT"S EVERYTHING. all i'm saying is getting db'd while ur incap'd and the bh has done nothing is pretty lame and shouldn't be happening.
The problem I see in your post is this. A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack The point i'm saying is that the bh never attacked. He db's the target and gains money. This isn't right. It's almost like saying, it's ok to get missions on the terminal and go to the lair hit it once and recieve full payout. Is this not the same thing? Well it's not becase bh's get more money for doing nothing.
Its just total luck on their part, if you are incapped when they roll up, its just luck and they are gonna take it. If you are dueling in MO or coronet, then there prolly will be BHs around, Im sorry, just deal with it, I honestly dont know what your problem is, are you jealous ? Do you ENVY them getting 200k ? or are you just annoyed because someone beat you ?
Cybertor
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:36 pm
#55
NoStyleGuy wrote:
Cybertor wrote:
NoStyleGuy wrote:
the whole 51% thing will never fly.
what if its PvP and 10 ppl do 10% dmg each? nobody can Deathblow!
What if im a BH and my mark just has 2 or 3 of his dueling pals dmg him?
Its not your right to Duel undistracted in the middle of a populated area.
If you took on the responsibility of being a jedi, you took on the responsibility of being hunted. End of Story.
Then like i said in my last post. Something has to be changed, put urself in the position of a dev. Getting db'd by bh's in a duel is not good content nor is it good gameplay for the "JEDI=Money for soe." So come up with a good enough fix for this happneing then.
well its too bad that whole "jedi = money" thing is true because thats the only thing that will change this.
A BH can hunt by any means nessicary, to obtain a DB. When jabba contracts boba fett to find Han solo he dosesn't tell him to "announce himself and fight".
When Vader contracts all the BH's on his ship, he doesn't tell them to "put up a good fight"
when jango fett hires zam wessel to kill padme, he doesn't say "fight her to the death"
we get paied for The death of our mark. not the fight. we are not boxers.
You want to stand in theed and get visiblity while dueling your guildies? FINE
but realize theres probably a BH after you right then.
If the master equation of this game wasn't "JEDI = MONEY" than the jedi would have it alot harder. like Pre-CU
I would pay 30 dollars a month to go back to pre cu. Sh1t i would pay an extra 30 dollars a month just to have 1 or 2 pre cu servers dedicated to pvp.
Wolf24601
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:37 pm
#56
Wow...this thread sure took off.
Can't wait until the next major 'fix' hits.
We need a SWG historian to record all the major FOTM v FOTM face offs between Jedi and Bounty Hunters.
I miss the complaints against BH/TKM templates...
Oh...to answer the qustion...I think it is clear that people with just about every variety of template have figured out how to fight the BH/CMs. My lowly MDEF LS 0404 has done fine.
For those not paying attention: We think of new ways to fight the BHs, they think of new ways to fight us, we cry to nerf their innovations, they cry to nerf our innovations.
Its the cycle of life..."The Cryin' King" a new Disney motion picture...
Instead of a pre-cu server, I want a no-nerf server so we can move on with something more interesting.
Wolf
Message Edited by Wolf24601 on 09-12-2005 03:38 PM
Cybertor
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:38 pm
#57
p897t98 wrote:
Cybertor wrote:
Jacella wrote:
A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack. If you are weak in the open, you must expect the attack. I don't mean to belittle you (too much), but if you can't deal with the simple facts of the way the game is and the risks associated with being a Jedi, then you need to just play your alt, stop pvping in starports, watch your radar, or delete your jedi. The vast majority of jedi have zero problems with the way the BH/Jedi thing is set up. I would go so far to say that more jedi want names and payouts to be reinstated along with keeping faction.
Cybertor wrote:
This isn't just about duels. What about pve and pvp. THAT"S EVERYTHING. all i'm saying is getting db'd while ur incap'd and the bh has done nothing is pretty lame and shouldn't be happening.
The problem I see in your post is this. A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack The point i'm saying is that the bh never attacked. He db's the target and gains money. This isn't right. It's almost like saying, it's ok to get missions on the terminal and go to the lair hit it once and recieve full payout. Is this not the same thing? Well it's not becase bh's get more money for doing nothing.
Its just total luck on their part, if you are incapped when they roll up, its just luck and they are gonna take it. If you are dueling in MO or coronet, then there prolly will be BHs around, Im sorry, just deal with it, I honestly dont know what your problem is, are you jealous ? Do you ENVY them getting 200k ? or are you just annoyed because someone beat you ?
See it isn't luck when the bh can follow you around anywhere you go. It is putting a stop to my gameplay because I have to wait for this bh to attack, half the time the bh wont' attack because they know they'll get own'd. So they wait and wait and follow me around. Duno bout the bh's on ur server but on ahazi they will follow you around untill you log.
NoStyleGuy
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:40 pm
#58
Wolf24601 wrote:
Wow...this thread sure took off.
Can't wait until the next major 'fix' hits.
We need a SWG historian to record all the major FOTM v FOTM face offs between Jedi and Bounty Hunters.
I miss the complaints against BH/TKM templates...
Oh...to answer the qustion...I think it is clear that people with just about every variety of template have figured out how to fight the BH/CMs. My lowly MDEF LS 0404 has done fine.
For those not paying attention: We think of new ways to fight the BHs, they think of new ways to fight us, we cry to nerf their innovations, they cry to nerf our innovations.
Its the cycle of life..."The Cryin' King" a new Disney motion picture...
Instead of a pre-cu server, I want a no-nerf server so we can move on with something more interesting.
Wolf
Message Edited by Wolf24601 on 09-12-2005 03:38 PM
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Cybertor
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:40 pm
#59
Jive17 wrote:
You know what? This is correct. After thinking this through more then I did before when I responded with the 51% idea, there really is nothing wrong with the system as is. My idea before was not a good one. When I play my Jedi I always watch the radar and never duel in public. When I go out and fight npc/mobs I try to always stay ready for an attack. I try not to let my force get to low and always stay buffed. If I was a BH I would always attack when I saw my target was weak, thats just being a good BH. They have a line called "Dirty Tricks", who says they are supposed to play in a mannor that we perceive to be fair? If someone is coming to kill you, you can't expect them to wait untill your good and ready to fight.
Jacella wrote:
A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack. If you are weak in the open, you must expect the attack. I don't mean to belittle you (too much), but if you can't deal with the simple facts of the way the game is and the risks associated with being a Jedi, then you need to just play your alt, stop pvping in starports, watch your radar, or delete your jedi. The vast majority of jedi have zero problems with the way the BH/Jedi thing is set up. I would go so far to say that more jedi want names and payouts to be reinstated along with keeping faction.
So your suppose to not do anythign while a bh is watching you? Even though this bh can follow you around anywhere you go. I'm done talking about this, but on a funny note. before jedi were on mbh missions. I actually saw a guy get db'd in a duel because the bh had cloak... sums that up. Pretty fair if you ask me huh
SWEzekiel
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:40 pm
#60
Jive17 wrote:
I do agree that a BH should not be able toDB you if he/she did not actually incap you. The solution is easy, just make it so that a player can't DB another unless he/she has actually done at least 51% of the damage that resulted in the incap.
An even better method would be to apply how WoW handle dueling. When you enter a duel you have cut off from the world and no-one else can interact with the duel. You can't be healed and only the person dueling you can attack you. When you get incapped the duel ends, no chance of a death blow. Obviouslly this could be abused by entering a duel as a BH approaches, then have a timer on duels so they only last so long before it is declared a draw or something. *shrug* I'm sure something coudl be worked out.
Cybertor
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:42 pm
#61
SWEzekiel wrote:
Jive17 wrote:
I do agree that a BH should not be able toDB you if he/she did not actually incap you. The solution is easy, just make it so that a player can't DB another unless he/she has actually done at least 51% of the damage that resulted in the incap.
An even better method would be to apply how WoW handle dueling. When you enter a duel you have cut off from the world and no-one else can interact with the duel. You can't be healed and only the person dueling you can attack you. When you get incapped the duel ends, no chance of a death blow. Obviouslly this could be abused by entering a duel as a BH approaches, then have a timer on duels so they only last so long before it is declared a draw or something. *shrug* I'm sure something coudl be worked out.
There so many cool things they could add to swg but they don't /cry
NoStyleGuy
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:43 pm
#62
Cybertor wrote:
p897t98 wrote:
Cybertor wrote:
Jacella wrote:
A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack. If you are weak in the open, you must expect the attack. I don't mean to belittle you (too much), but if you can't deal with the simple facts of the way the game is and the risks associated with being a Jedi, then you need to just play your alt, stop pvping in starports, watch your radar, or delete your jedi. The vast majority of jedi have zero problems with the way the BH/Jedi thing is set up. I would go so far to say that more jedi want names and payouts to be reinstated along with keeping faction.
Cybertor wrote:
This isn't just about duels. What about pve and pvp. THAT"S EVERYTHING. all i'm saying is getting db'd while ur incap'd and the bh has done nothing is pretty lame and shouldn't be happening.
The problem I see in your post is this. A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack The point i'm saying is that the bh never attacked. He db's the target and gains money. This isn't right. It's almost like saying, it's ok to get missions on the terminal and go to the lair hit it once and recieve full payout. Is this not the same thing? Well it's not becase bh's get more money for doing nothing.
Its just total luck on their part, if you are incapped when they roll up, its just luck and they are gonna take it. If you are dueling in MO or coronet, then there prolly will be BHs around, Im sorry, just deal with it, I honestly dont know what your problem is, are you jealous ? Do you ENVY them getting 200k ? or are you just annoyed because someone beat you ?
See it isn't luck when the bh can follow you around anywhere you go. It is putting a stop to my gameplay because I have to wait for this bh to attack, half the time the bh wont' attack because they know they'll get own'd. So they wait and wait and follow me around. Duno bout the bh's on ur server but on ahazi they will follow you around untill you log.
i dont leave when u log
and i'll never attack you when u want me to. I will kill you eventually though - if you want to duel that is. Remember how Ben - kenobi tells luke about going into hiding? or how about "execute order 66" or maybe "Every signle jedi is now an enemy of the republic". Jedi shouldn't be free to walk around dueling, flashing thier glowstick.
Cybertor
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:45 pm
#63
NoStyleGuy wrote:
Cybertor wrote:
p897t98 wrote:
Cybertor wrote:
Jacella wrote:
A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack. If you are weak in the open, you must expect the attack. I don't mean to belittle you (too much), but if you can't deal with the simple facts of the way the game is and the risks associated with being a Jedi, then you need to just play your alt, stop pvping in starports, watch your radar, or delete your jedi. The vast majority of jedi have zero problems with the way the BH/Jedi thing is set up. I would go so far to say that more jedi want names and payouts to be reinstated along with keeping faction.
Cybertor wrote:
This isn't just about duels. What about pve and pvp. THAT"S EVERYTHING. all i'm saying is getting db'd while ur incap'd and the bh has done nothing is pretty lame and shouldn't be happening.
The problem I see in your post is this. A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack The point i'm saying is that the bh never attacked. He db's the target and gains money. This isn't right. It's almost like saying, it's ok to get missions on the terminal and go to the lair hit it once and recieve full payout. Is this not the same thing? Well it's not becase bh's get more money for doing nothing.
Its just total luck on their part, if you are incapped when they roll up, its just luck and they are gonna take it. If you are dueling in MO or coronet, then there prolly will be BHs around, Im sorry, just deal with it, I honestly dont know what your problem is, are you jealous ? Do you ENVY them getting 200k ? or are you just annoyed because someone beat you ?
See it isn't luck when the bh can follow you around anywhere you go. It is putting a stop to my gameplay because I have to wait for this bh to attack, half the time the bh wont' attack because they know they'll get own'd. So they wait and wait and follow me around. Duno bout the bh's on ur server but on ahazi they will follow you around untill you log.
i dont leave when u log
I've never been killed by a bounty hunter other then the times I was incap'd. I logout safely everyday. So good luck on that
NoStyleGuy
Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:47 pm
#64
Cybertor wrote:
NoStyleGuy wrote:
Cybertor wrote:
p897t98 wrote:
Cybertor wrote:
Jacella wrote:
A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack. If you are weak in the open, you must expect the attack. I don't mean to belittle you (too much), but if you can't deal with the simple facts of the way the game is and the risks associated with being a Jedi, then you need to just play your alt, stop pvping in starports, watch your radar, or delete your jedi. The vast majority of jedi have zero problems with the way the BH/Jedi thing is set up. I would go so far to say that more jedi want names and payouts to be reinstated along with keeping faction.
Cybertor wrote:
This isn't just about duels. What about pve and pvp. THAT"S EVERYTHING. all i'm saying is getting db'd while ur incap'd and the bh has done nothing is pretty lame and shouldn't be happening.
The problem I see in your post is this. A good MBH will wait until you are weakest to attack The point i'm saying is that the bh never attacked. He db's the target and gains money. This isn't right. It's almost like saying, it's ok to get missions on the terminal and go to the lair hit it once and recieve full payout. Is this not the same thing? Well it's not becase bh's get more money for doing nothing.
Its just total luck on their part, if you are incapped when they roll up, its just luck and they are gonna take it. If you are dueling in MO or coronet, then there prolly will be BHs around, Im sorry, just deal with it, I honestly dont know what your problem is, are you jealous ? Do you ENVY them getting 200k ? or are you just annoyed because someone beat you ?
See it isn't luck when the bh can follow you around anywhere you go. It is putting a stop to my gameplay because I have to wait for this bh to attack, half the time the bh wont' attack because they know they'll get own'd. So they wait and wait and follow me around. Duno bout the bh's on ur server but on ahazi they will follow you around untill you log.
i dont leave when u log
I've never been killed by a bounty hunter other then the times I was incap'd. I logout safely everyday. So good luck on that
Cool good to hear. I still stand by the fact that jedi who duel should have to remember there is always a bounty hunter after them, somewhere.
