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Thread: State of the Jedi Profession: NGE Conversion
I'm not a huge poster of these forums but if you check my reg date, you'll see that I've been here from launch. I've tried to take this as best I can and actually have enjoyed most of what the NGE is about but I couldn't have said it better. Baciacca is absolutely accurate in his assesment and how those that wield the force, the greatest power in all the SW universe, are to be severly gimped is a huge miscalculationin both GeorgeLucas's vision and the goalto secure more accounts and more importantly inkeeping those that have help to mold this game. I can only hope that they will see the unprecidented amount of disgruntled posts and do the right thing. At the very least, for the perpetuation of this game.
Message Edited by Gerell on 11-09-2005 07:32 PM
I agree with everything you said. Sadly I don't see them listening. For the first time I think this is where I'm going to throw the towel in. I'll log on first day and cancel my account if nothing is changed from the current conversion.
Profession is now the biggest joke. It's one thing to be equal, it's another to be the joke of the game. Then add all the conversion mess from my pearls to my SEA's adn then to hear a NOOB will get rewards that I will not. Nothing I can say will change anything so why bother. I hate to wish ill will on anyone but it looks like I won't have too, I'm predicting this game will certainly be dead without it's vets. If you think kids are going to stick to this game for $15 a month, obviously you don't have a clue.
As someone put it eariler after reading Blix remarks "As Designed", GAME OVER is all I have to say when i read that.
Nakrima wrote:
SOE doesn't care what we think.
We might aswell be talking to our toilets.
Atleast they make fun gurgly sounds!
They better. We pay their salaries.
In the end, Tiggs will be better off than the ones that remain. She is a martyr now, and is certain to get a better job. The people who hang on now will be laughed at in the job market.
Thanks for standing up for us, sadly it probably wont do any good, but i appreciate the effort anyway I'm guessing this game will die within a month or 2 of this mess going live.
weirdly i was actually excited about this it sounded good, i was picturing jedi acedemy style game play when i read about it, but i cant even really tell what it is. It seems poorly though out and enacted overall. soe/la is shafting the playerbase hard with this, all of them not just jedi I'm not sure how they think that is going to work, when word of this mess gets out noone will buy the game, noone, ever.
I was excited when i read that there was a change coming, the game needed it that is for sure but i seriously cant believe soe's statement about focus groups, who were those ppl, what professions did they play? Why have they not posted at all on these forums? The point is why with all the possible routes they could have taken did the take this? I've never ever seen a post by a player, a correspondent, anyone at all, asking for this. I've seen lots of posts asking for pre cu, with bug fixes and balance passes, or major changes to the cu, but to remove more than 2/3rds of the proffesions in the game and to shaft the player base this way( i guess they assume we are stupid and being able to be blue glowie is somehow uber and a decent reward for all the years of grinding and griefing)
anyway enough said consider this post a /sign for your post and for a rethink of this whole cu2 thing b4 it goes live and ruins what was once a great game
Lunion wrote:i just hope the game gets canceled rather then having to play this crap NGE, they said they took a risk well i hope it goes wrong sick of all the nerfs and changes which are not fun and just screw up the ppl who played for so long to get where they are right now, maybe someone with a brain will bring a new swg out with precu style and actually listen to ussoe are bunch of c*nts
I know from someone who has inside sources that SWG was GOING to be cancelled in January. They desperately sold LEC on the NGE, and were ordered to throw it in now.
NGE was to be the core of SWG2. It was barely started, and isn't near finished.
About all NGE will accomplish is to get SWG cancelled... In January.
Baciacca wrote:
State of the Jedi Profession: NGE Conversion
Armor
Where is it? Jedi in the new NGE do not get any, it has been taken away from us. How about adding some armor to our robes? Make them worthwhile other than just cool looking Veteran Reward. Please make it something that is actually a New Game “Enhancement” not just another nerf. In my book, taking armor away is just another nerf to add to the list of countless nerfs that have made our profession nothing more than a starting profession; the worst nerf of all.
Pearls/Crystals
On both of the TC servers I have seen countless premium and flawless pearls/crystals that have converted to equals. Most if not all pearls/crystals have converted to 8/9 and 9/9. Everyone who had less than adequate pearls/crystals will love this because it puts them on par with everyone else but what about the people that had perfect tunes. What a slap in the face yet again with this new NGE. All those hours of Krayt and Crystal hunting just got washed down the drain. In the conversion thread Tiggs wanted to know if there were any that tuned over 20. Have any tuned over 10? Come on Devs, balance us. Don’t make us a crafter with a Lightsaber.
Second Character Slots
Till now this was one of the great bonus’s that Jedi had from being Pre-NGE. We would be the only character accounts to have multiple players on a single server. This was a great reward for taking the time to unlock during the various systems of previous. Now we get yet another slap in the face. Stop making us totally equals, give us some edge, and I don’t mean just some robe that looks cool or a new color crystal. Give us something that will allow us to gain an edge.
Rewards from each CL in new Skill Tiers
When you log in and respect to your new template you will browse through the trees to see that you have not been given any of the CL rewards. Just because we didn’t have to do the grind over again does not mean we don’t want them. Grant us all the rewards from each level. We may not want them but at least give us the option. I for one would love to do the quests from the items that can be inspected. A lot of those items have skill mods as well. What makes you think we wont want that? Give us our CL80 and below rewards.
States (snares, roots)
In the Jedi trees there are No root ability. All of the Combat classes have a snare and root, some have multiple. Jedi Currently has 3 snares and no root abilities. How does a melee class strike down their opponent when we can’t stop them from kiting us? A Jedi needs to be able to root their opponent so we can catch up and fight them. Not chase and heal all day long. How is this “As Designed – Blixtev”?
armor issue is just stupid....something must be given to us, if as a dev you think that is balanced, then **edit** you
pearls is a joke and the new elder jedi reward of the 2 new crystals with elemental dmg being 7 or 8 vs 5-6 for all others? so for all your hard work pre-nge we get a whopping 2 pts dmg increase over new jedi? not to mention the countless hours spent finding enuff prems for perfect tunes....all wiped away in a flash......well **edit** you again
tiggs is gone, so do not lie to us again....give us the real reason we do not get rewards for being a respec. too much inventory space is the dumbest answer i ever heard. **edit** you and give us the rewards....we payed for them.
no root for a solely melee prof by design, that is easily the dumbest thing i have heard since....well the whole damn tuning process. and if some jerkoff says to use a rifle, well **edit** you too! i am a jedi, jedi use sabers.
i swear if anyone at soe played this game they would know what to do to fix whatever combat system they come up with.....spend 15 mins doing something than looking at the graphics and you would have at least 20 ideas of what to fix.......never seen a bigger bunch of computer nerds that jack **edit** about computer games!
I hope this gets read. As far as the regrinding and new/old abilities go, I won't comment. What I would like to note though is the targeting system we have to use with NGE.
CL 80 Jedi may be strong. I had no problem killing stuff AS LONG AS IT STOOD PERFECTLY STILL FOR THE LENGTH OF MY ATTACK. For the ranged players, which is what every one will be, hitting and moving is modded into their profession. In other words they rarely miss. Melee players, and Jedi in particular have to be standing "toe to toe" with the red cross hairs on their target while they attack or else they will miss, or even more devastating, not be able to hit at all.
Every duel I got into I lost, simply because I could not target the person I was dueling. I have been a full template for nearly 4 months, and been in countless battles against other players. I'm not a bad PvP'er . Jedi have no place (once again) in the NGE.
No matter what we say they will do what they want greed is a bad thing.down with this nge dictatorship
down with this nonsensense
down with the nerf