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Thread: Need Hard Data on Crystals and Pearls

masterkuro
Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:35 am
#40


3 good pearls


damage, fc...


63, -2


49, -2


40, -3


conclusion... I wasted my money





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Narut0
Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:42 am
#41

tued 2 Good crystals & 1 good pearl

crystals
58 dmg -2fc
99 dmg -2fc
pearl
107dmg -5fc

i got good dmg for my saber but the pearl let me down with speed so i lost 4 pts DPS



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coronula
Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:46 am
#42


Is there any reason why you are just including the damage and not the speed and force cost in your charts?


I would guess that each of these variables are tuning independently of each other. So if you had a 5 percent chance for a 100 damage tune, a 5% change for a -0.2 speed tune and a 5% chance for a -7 force cost tune,you would only have a 0.0125 percent chance to get adecent 100, -0.2, -7 fc combined tune. That's closer to 1/10,000 tunes to get a 100 dmg/-0.2 sp/-7 fc tune from a good crystal. So any statements that it is possible to get a good tune from any crystal/pearl are true, it is just highly unlikely in your lifetime.


Data for the mean and distribution/variance for each of the variables as well as combinations of the variableswould be useful to show whether this is true or not.





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taco_fox
Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:54 am
#43

Here's some good quality crystals I tuned the other day

52, -.11, -2
44, 0.0, -3
32, -.06, -3
67, -.15, -2



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McFetus
Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:13 am
#44


Tunedsomefairs a week or so ago:

93 -0.11 -4 fc

90 -0.11 -2 fc

82

68

63

57

33

24

22

18


I don't recall the speeds/fcs on the others because I'm not using them and don't feel like logging in. (FC doesn't matter that much anymore imho since it's not multiplied like it used to be)

Message Edited by McFetus on 09-26-2005 11:17 AM

Bloodfin_Architect
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:04 am
#45


Coronlula asks:


Is there any reason why you are just including the damage and not the speed and force cost in your charts?


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I am keeping that data when it isprovided Coronula. I can tell you there is no correlation between damage and FC and that the average FC tune so far is -3.33. That would group FC tunes at the low end, just like damage tunes. There has been some speculation there isa correlationbetween speed and damage, but I haven't compiled that data yet. You are absolutely correct, if they run off different tables, there is a very small chance for a good tune over all 3 catagories; damage - speed - FC.More like 0.0001% than 0.0125%. I'll provide more information on damage / speed when I have enough data to show a patteren, if one exists.




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Bloodfin_Architect
Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:30 pm
#46


Coronula,


Might want to buy that Powerball ticket. The actual probability of tuning a fair /good crystal over 100 damage is around 0.6%. Some people on the forums are claiming Tiggs lied when she said a perfect tune from a fair / good crystal is possbile. Possible yes, but about as likely as a whale making love to a shrimp and having babies afterward.


Message Edited by Bloodfin_Architect on 09-26-2005 03:38 PM



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Davidoff315
Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:11 pm
#47

These are my tuning results from today, all 'good' crystals:

22 -2
24 -2
60 -2
68 -2
44 -5
23 -3
23 -3
23 -5

I'll keep posting the tunes I get, be interesting to see the end result.



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Bloodfin_Architect
Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:24 pm
#48

Final results are posted. Look at Pearls and Crystals - The Statisical Truth



Thanks guys .. everyone here helped a bunch.





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coronula
Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:25 am
#49






Bloodfin_Architect wrote:


Coronlula asks:


Is there any reason why you are just including the damage and not the speed and force cost in your charts?


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I am keeping that data when it isprovided Coronula. I can tell you there is no correlation between damage and FC and that the average FC tune so far is -3.33. That would group FC tunes at the low end, just like damage tunes. There has been some speculation there isa correlationbetween speed and damage, but I haven't compiled that data yet. You are absolutely correct, if they run off different tables, there is a very small chance for a good tune over all 3 catagories; damage - speed - FC.More like 0.0001% than 0.0125%. I'll provide more information on damage / speed when I have enough data to show a patteren, if one exists.






Thanks for the feedback. I'm looking forward to whatever you come up with just for curiosities sake.


In my previousexample I was just using a 5% chancefor an above normal tune in one category. That is 0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 = 0.000125 = 0.0125% (or 1/8000). Perhaps there is a flaw in my math that I don't see.


If the categories are independent as I believe based on the the tunes I have done you will need a 22% chance of getting an acceptable tune in each category just to have a 1/100 chance of an acceptable (within 15% of maximum, not near perfect)all aroundtune.


Getting this high a chance of an acceptable tune isn't going to happen for any grade of pearl/crystal less than perfect. Even if a perfect pearl has a 50% chance of anacceptable tune in any given category only about 1 in 10 is going to yield great results in all three categories. An even smaller percentage would yield the elusive "perfect" tune. Based on reports over the last year I would guess that 50% for a great tune in a given category and 30% for a "perfect" near maximum tune would not be far from reality for a perfect pearl.


You can analyze this all you like and what you will likely see is that there is a chance of tuning a good pearl to 120/-0.30/-9 or even 118/-0.28/-8, but that the chances of doing so are miniscule. In fact you might have better odds winning the powerball lottery. I don't buy lottery tickets unless I have a spare buck or two and I treat low grade crystals the same way. I'm not going to pay much for one, but if I do get hold of one I'll scratch off the numbers to see if I won even thoughI'm not really expecting anything.





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